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lastfutures wrote (edited )

I didn't want browse banned. Not because they aren't on some SWERF bullshit, but because I don't mind engaging with some of that occasionally.

Your position is - I can only hope - quite different from theirs. I'm sympathetic to some anti-porn arguments (but find most reactionary), particularly from an anti-civ perspective. However, when you ignore the entire existing reality of capitalism, criminalization of the sex industry, and the state, and support policy & reactionaries who target sex workers, you can go fuck yourself. Browse said they support the criminalization of sex work in China (where you can be sentenced to life imprisonment for producing porn) & think the US should do the same. They are supportive of the effort of SWERFs, there is no other way to read that. They use the same language, the same arguments, and support the same reactionary policies.

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celebratedrecluse wrote

This is now entirely a tangent and surely controversial but after reflecting and taking some time away from the screen recently, I am beginning to think the impulse to ban people rather than deconstruct their arguments, leads to the festering of ideological rot more often than not.

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celebratedrecluse wrote

deconstructing people's arguments only works when they are open to changing their mind.

Well, I don't think the goal is to change the perspective of someone who says something. That rarely works online. The goal, which every astroturf agency knows, is to influence the perceptions and attitudes of those absorbing the content; which is order of magnitude more than some random individual poster.

I personally would love it if raddle allowed people a vehemently disagree to have a genuine discussion with me on why I don't like them.

perhaps we can make a forum specifically for this?

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celebratedrecluse wrote (edited )

No, not really. I'm talking about how having discussions on a forum with people you disagree with, can help to advance your point of view among the spectators.

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