Submitted by celebratedrecluse in meta

For now, i agree it is best left closed. However in future, is there interest in making applications vetted by community, for a few at a time? Could be a compromise that allows new users but disallows the gameification and abuse of the service.

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black_fox wrote

when registration reopens i think it’d be good to have it open a couple days a week, and have the times given when you try to register.

i try to think of people like me, i don’t know anyone who could’ve given me an invite here. we should try to be as open as possible.

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bloodrose wrote

Some sites that are invite only allow you to request an invite. That would at least slow down registration so we don't get so many troll accounts at once. Though it would require email addresses to send the invites to.

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celebratedrecluse OP wrote

this is a much better solution than allowing registration only during certain times imo

Instead of emails, just use a specific forum for requests

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ziq wrote (edited )

Yeah I like that. A forum only admins can see that brand new users can post to asking for their account to be granted access to the wider site. Only problem is a lot of people won't stick around for hours while they wait to be approved.

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f064fb5ddb9041bc8a4cb0024 wrote (edited )

When you register to Autistici/Inventati they ask you to tell them who you are, what are your political alignments and such, and they give you a link with your answers which you can check to see if you have been accepted. If you loose the link you can't register since there are information about how to proceed, and that information is later deleted. I don't know how easy would be to implement that on a forum, tho. Also, this is if you don't want to leave an e-mail.

If the webpage thingy can't be done I think a couple of answers to provide you are human an not an alt-righter isn't a bad idea, Disroot does something similar.

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celebratedrecluse OP wrote

Oh yes, i disagree with invite only, for the same reason as you. My proposal is clarified below.

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kore wrote

Can I be the troll that lives under the bridge and makes people pay to get into raddle?

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Bezotcovschina wrote

I don't know. As for right now I strongly oppose invite only policy. If Raddle was invite only, I, certainly, wasn't join it. Not a hug of desl, but whatever.

Dog, Ims to drunk, sorry.

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6c_6f_76_65 wrote

How about asking two or three questions and then the account has to be approved. This would only serve to delay the mass creation of accounts. This would negate needing to provide an email address. Users would just need to check back for when/if the account is approved.

Is it possible the captcha challenge can be easily defeated?

I would think if there are a few random questions that have to be answered, the captcha, and having someone wait it would defeat most trolls. Over time you may need to inject new questions if someone wants to write a web scraping tool.

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bloodrose wrote

This is a good idea. We wouldn't have a repeat of last weekend. It wouldn't guarantee no trolls but it wouldn't go as bonkers as before if someone had to wait for their account to be approved. The only abuse I could see is that one could apply for a lot of accounts at once and bog down admins.

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6c_6f_76_65 wrote

Very true. Could implement a system where only X number of accounts are allowed from Y IP address.

The downside to this is people will use TOR and with only so many exit nodes there is a high chance that multiple users could come from the same IP

The additional strain will be that most any idea that is conceived will require code change, I am not sure how many developers there are for Raddle, and I am not competent enough to develop the ideas that I can conceive.

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ziq wrote

Limiting by IP won't work since all the spammers use tor or a vpn and switch ips with each account they make.

What if admins could set the numbers of accounts that can be created per hour? Then we could limit it to 1 or 2. Combined with this, we could choose to make new accounts wait an hour before posting, or at least limit each account to a single post per hour (rather than the current 3) until approved by an admin.

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ziq wrote (edited )

This would negate needing to provide an email address

You don't need to provide an email address currently fyi.

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Majrelende wrote (edited )

I would be fine with allowing registration at certain times, though as a reminder, we should make sure that all time zones are favoured equally to make sure, for example, that no one has a registration time at only midnight.

However, as one might expect, I oppose some of the more authoritarian (in my opinion) suggestions— applications on the milder end, then invitations. I certainly would never have been let in if I needed an invitation, and I would likely have shied away if I were asked to answer questions or write an introduction (gasp)— the previous unintrusive and mild process, if it can be called that, is one of the only reasons I was not an eternal lurker; this is still my only online expression. At least, that is what I remember...

On the other hand, if you hate me and wish I never started peddling my useless and nonsensical ideas and whatever else, little of this is probably relevant. (Please do not be afraid to be rude if this is your opinion.)

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ziq wrote

I also don't support invitations for the same reason.

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celebratedrecluse OP wrote (edited )

I think applications can be better, although some people might be deterred its not like you cant lurk if you arent trying to post

Also, i think restricting registration is more authoritarian and problematic, and does not solve the problem at hand-- how to prevent abuse and ban circumvention

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black_fox wrote

also i don’t think new accounts should be allowed to post until whitelisted. maybe 1 comment

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f064fb5ddb9041bc8a4cb0024 wrote

Then how do you prove you are not a troll if you can't comment? Maybe something like what Reddit does would be better; if your account is new, you can't post too many times in a short period of time.

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Bezotcovschina wrote

is there interest in making applications vetted by community, for a few at a time?

This isn't clear for me. Could you explain how you see it?

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celebratedrecluse OP wrote

We can make a new forum, f/apply, and new accounts can only post once in there. You introduce yourself, explain your interests, and why you want to join raddle. The community weighs in, and after a waiting period you may be added to the site as whitelisted full user if there is consensus among those who comment on your post.

It doesnt have to be onerous, but it would disallow hundreds of spam accounts, etc

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NOISEBOB wrote

What about making it invite only?

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celebratedrecluse OP wrote

I think that makes us too closed off, we should try to grow faster than the invite only model will allow

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