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celebratedrecluse wrote

I think that this behavior should be discouraged and called in, but not sanctioned

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kore wrote

I've brought this up before, basically reminding people that we have a mediation forum which does not get used very often.

Disputes between established users or groups that don't involve clear ToS violations should be solved in f/mediation before admins are asked to intervene.

Feel free to shout as loud as you want at each other in f/mediation. This is a venue where you can voice your anger at other users, while also providing a space for healing and reconciliation.

I do not think that anyone but repeated abusers and/or completely unapologetic bigots deserves to be personally attacked. Responses to ideas/beliefs on Raddle are often immediately met with either condescending dismissal or vicious personal attack.

Both of these do not help either party grow, it often results in the person being attacked to double down on their ideas, and the person doing the attacking to get extremely worked up. Some users are very good at defusing these situations before they explode. I've often taken extended breaks from Raddle just because I would rather not see the vitriol on this site or because I am frustrated that people are just dismissing my ideas in vague condescending ways without trying to engage.

Note that I am not advocating for a cold rationality in all raddle discussions. It is possible to express anger or other emotion without directing it at another person.

Compassion changes peoples' minds and helps them grow. At least that's what I think. I do think I am very sensitive to these things though.

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kore wrote (edited )

I agree, but I think it is worth at least trying to determine whether their apologia comes from misunderstanding/ignorance or if it is a true belief. Not referring to any specific situation. But just with any sort of thing like that, not limited to rape apologists. If they double down on their ideas, sure, they're assholes and fuck them. But if they're immediately attacked there isn't that opportunity for them to really reflect.

EDIT: oh shit i wrote this reply before you edited with the information about the PMs. Yeah that's definitely fucked up.

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n_n wrote (edited )

Gaming the system is a problem in every internet community. I think that mods should try to maintain the discussions and posts on-topic, admins shouldn't get involved unless there are no mods around. Maybe we should make w/Etiquette a Raddle Policy in the wiki, and should be updated to keep Raddle's purpose. It shouldn't be double standards so everyone including admins and mods should be under the same conditions.

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chokingvictim wrote

why does it say this has 242 comments when it has like 10

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n_n wrote (edited )

I said long ago that we should try to have a reasonable number of forums and create new ones as Raddle grows and more people are willing to moderate them. We shouldn't have to wait for an admin to clean Spam and it shouldn't rely in one person to moderate the site and its forums.

Edit: u/bloodrose I mean that was my suggestion. I don't know what will be the best approach but it's what comes to my mind to address this kind of issues. Maybe others can suggest something better.

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rot wrote

If it's that toxic it should be against the TOS

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n_n wrote (edited )

Maybe we shouldn't just encourage people to resolve their personal issues there but make it a policy. Like "go and solve your issues there, the off-topic posts/comments will be deleted. Period." If they don't do it then actions should be require. Don't know if I explain my self. ^_^'

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rot wrote

makes sense to me. I missed the latest spam freakout but I like raddle's mediation forum idk if it would work with unwilling participants

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celebratedrecluse wrote

It seems clear to me now, actually, that not dealing with stuff like this allows the problem to get much worse, much bigger than any one individual. We must act to protect this space from the forces which seek to destroy it.

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ziq OP wrote

We recently changed it so only whitelisted users can create forums and edit the wiki, so there are limits in place now.

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ziq OP wrote

I don't think mediation ever worked. It just forces us to waste energy engaging with abusive people. I think emma has the best advice - just silently remove trolls without explanation and not feed them. The moment you lower yourself to negotiating with a troll, you've already lost.

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ziq OP wrote

the problem with that is it forces us to list hundreds of different toxic behaviors, which is incredibly counterproductive. A lot of toxic behaviors are contextual and can't really be defined in rules.

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6c_6f_76_65 wrote

I agree with this.

I would also add that immediately engaging in abusive behavior against someone's perceived bigotry just forces the person to justify their belief.

  • I am using perceived in the context that someone posts something that is viewed as inflammatory but no one has asked any questions or are definitive that the person holds bigotry ideals.
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6c_6f_76_65 wrote

What about installing global moderators across overlapping time zones? This would hopefully take some of the workload off of all the admins.

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