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engi wrote

Reply to comment by celebratedrecluse in signal.png by celebratedrecluse

XMPP is the standard for folks, but as i understand it doesn't have the features like calling/videochat etc that signal does

it does, it's called jingle

nor does it have the same ease of setup & use for the average user

I see this repeated often, never with any examples

Very convenient for someone who wanted to concentrate their attacks on this subpopulation

when I'm feeling more conspiracy minded I'll think moxie is on the payroll of some three letter org

everything is broken

acab - all computers are broken

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celebratedrecluse OP wrote

it does, it's called jingle

Cool, I'll check it out

I see this repeated often, never with any examples

Well, for most people Signal sets up with a verification text and you're good to go. No troubleshooting or any other issues. Matrix & XMPP require, not much more, but certainly more familiarity. To be more specific, there's options to either encrypt or not encrypt messages to other people instead of everything being encrypted by default on the platform. At least, that's how it appeared to work to me a few years ago

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engi wrote (edited )

nothing stops you (edit: as in "someone") from writing an xmpp client which insist on omemo and provides a bunch of default servers to register on (or entering one or more existing accounts)

I honestly don't get why signal needs to have any tie with the phone system. it boggles the mind

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celebratedrecluse OP wrote

For sure, XMPP may be the way to go in the future, but for now Signal has fucked things up a little bit to say the least. nobody is going to install multiple encrypted messengers on their phone just to communicate with everyone else

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