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OdiousOutlaw wrote (edited )
DEMOCRACY IS NON-NEGOTIABLE.
Silver_ wrote
No, food shouldn't be a government right.
The government has no authority to grant right & has no authority to complete any action. They shouldn't do anything except closing their own offices
OdiousOutlaw wrote
"Rights" are man-made. And every government has absolute authority to grant rights; they're the reason "rights" exist. "rights" are essentially freedoms that a government permits its people to have. Unless you think that "rights" are based in reality outside of government? If so, where do these "rights" come from?
Silver_ wrote
Natural rights (the fact that I own my body, for instance)
Governments are illegitimate & are just a group of thugs robbing people at gunpoint, calling it "taxation"
OdiousOutlaw wrote
Having "natural rights" just means that you possess autonomy; it means you may do as you please. Governments take away your autonomy and grant you a few permissions and call those "rights". These "rights" can be taken away by numerous means, whether it's through democratic reform or the whims of a ruler: people once had the "right" to enslave others, people once had the "right" to racially segregate their businesses, people once had the "right" to grow their own food on their own lawns, and people once had the "right" to sleep outside. "Rights" are neither good nor bad, but they only exist because government does. And it doesn't matter if you think a government is legitimate or not; it still functions and still decides what "rights" you get to have as a citizen or not. I'm not defending government (I hope that's obvious), I'm saying that disliking government doesn't take away its power.
Silver_ wrote
That's where you are wrong. If people don't comply the government lose a lot of their power.
See : agorism.
There is always an agorist solution to avoid government thugs. I'm sure that you can't find anything where there is no agorist solution.
OdiousOutlaw wrote
If people don't comply the government lose a lot of their power.
The government has safeguards specifically for this situation: Cops, military, prisons, and propaganda. People rebelling against governments is a theme throughout history. You know why we have government now? Cops, military, prisons, and propaganda. Governments can overthrown, but it's a process that has always been difficult and has only gotten more difficult.
Silver_ wrote
Doesn't matter.
You don't have to fight them, to beat them.
Propaganda doesn't matter, you don't have to watch mainstream news
OdiousOutlaw wrote
Doesn't matter. You don't have to fight them, to beat them.
It literally does matter. If you don't fight them, you have to live under their rule. You have to comply or they'll introduce your face to the pavement.
Propaganda doesn't matter, you don't have to watch mainstream news
It does matter when everyone else believes in it, you insufferable twit. The state can put you in a cage for the rest of your life and everyone will applaud, because propaganda says you deserve it for defying the state.
Silver_ wrote
It literally does matter. If you don't fight them, you have to live under their rule. You have to comply or they'll introduce your face to the pavement.
If you pretend to comply, they won't put you in jail. The probability to see you arrested randomly, when you did everything correctly is damn low.
The state can put you in a cage for the rest of your life and everyone will applaud, because propaganda says you deserve it for defying the state.
If they can get me, good for them.
OdiousOutlaw wrote
If you pretend to comply, they won't put you in jail. The probability to see you arrested randomly, when you did everything correctly is damn low.
You're under the delusion that these power tripping fucks don't mess with people, because they know they'll get away with it.
If they can get me, good for them.
"I'm fine with getting arrested. Also, government is bad; but the people who manage it are reasonable enough to not abuse their power to put me in jail."
What the fuck is wrong with you?
Silver_ wrote
You're under the delusion that these power tripping fucks don't mess with people, because they know they'll get away with it.
Never said this. Just saying that they can't arrest every citizen, they don't have enough money to do it.
Please tell me how can YOU get arrested when doing nothing wrong/you are under the radar, I'll tell you the agorist solution
OdiousOutlaw wrote (edited )
Never said this. Just saying that they can't arrest every citizen, they don't have enough money to do it.
Prisoners are free labor. It's well within the interests of the government to have full jail cells; why else would america have the highest prison population? If money was a problem, they'd just kill dissenters. And they'd get away with it, because that's how state power works.
Please tell me how can YOU get arrested when doing nothing wrong/you are under the radar, I'll tell you the agorist solution
I fall under the label of "Black Identity Extremist". I'd get arrested just by being black and hating cops.
Silver_ wrote
I fall under the label of "Black Identity Extremist". I'd get arrested just by being black and hating cops.
How can they know that you hate cops ?
Notice the locations where they are used to arrest black people randomly/harass them -> Avoid these locations
OdiousOutlaw wrote (edited )
How can they know that you hate cops ?
I use my "rights to free speech" in order to express that.
Notice the locations where they are used to arrest black people randomly/harass them -> Avoid these locations
That's not an option for those of us who live in primarily black neighborhoods, because they police those disproportionately more. It also falls under the assumption that other "voluntaryists" such as yourself would allow black people to live in their neighborhoods. Not everyone can afford to move locations freely.
Silver_ wrote
I use my "rights to free speech" in order to express that
Yeah, but you have to be careful about what you say.
That's why the internet anonymity is such a wonderful thing.
That's not an option for those of us who live in primarily black neighborhoods, because they police those disproportionately more.
In every street corner ? 24 hours a day ? They randomly harass people that much ? Where do you live ?
"voluntaryists" such as yourself don't want black people in their neighborhoods.
Don't get where you're getting this, no problem with black people in neighborhoods...
OdiousOutlaw wrote (edited )
Yeah, but you have to be careful about what you say.
I should be able to say that I don't care about dead cops without being arrested. It isn't illegal.
In every street corner ? 24 hours a day ? They randomly harass people that much ? Where do you live ?
Yes. Cops have quotas. They're literally incentivized to arrest people. Giving away my location to some stranger on a forum for radical politics to prove a point would be unwise.
Don't get where you're getting this, no problem with black people in neighborhoods...
You don't speak for other voluntaryists that hold segregationist beliefs, though.
Silver_ wrote
I should be able to say that I don't care about dead cops without being arrested. It isn't illegal
Yes, you are able to say it. If you're not arrested, good for you, but the state doesn't give a shit about laws...
Yes. Cops have quotas. They're literally incentivized to arrest people.
Yeah, but I don't really believe it when you say that cops can monitor every corner of the street, 24 hours a day like you're saying. Even in capital cities, they don't do this. Hell, even in North Korea, they can't do this, It's too expensive.
And If they monitor this city that much, It means that there are crowds of people & you'll be able to blend in, anyway (reducing the probability to be randomly targeted)
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OdiousOutlaw wrote
every corner of the street, 24 hours a day like you're saying.
When I said "yes", I meant that cops do harass a shit ton of people, not that they're omnipresent 24/7. Obviously, they aren't. Doesn't change the fact that they focus on black and brown neighborhoods more. Nor does it change the fact that those neighborhoods are usually poor and that moving out of these neighborhoods isn't fucking easy. And that's before getting into gentrification, a process that requires more policing in order to get poor POC's out of what used to be their neighborhoods.
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Silver_ wrote
Yeah walk in high crime areas (when It is avoidable), dumbass
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OdiousOutlaw wrote
I mean, there's a significant overlap, but they didn't actually highlight that. They did assume that places where black people get "randomly" arrested had high crime rates.
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Silver_ wrote
I am as coward as you : go ahead, go to jail for 30 years If you are ballsy, coward
Silver_ wrote
Sad, "food" shouldn't be a GOVERNMENT right.
Fuck the government, they are not legitimate to grant "fictious" rights and they should do nothing about the situation, except closing their own office.
heckthepolice2 wrote
oh no not a GOVERNMENT right
Silver_ wrote
If It isn't a government right, then why are you asking governments their opinion on what is or not a "basic" right ?
heckthepolice2 wrote
I mostly just found it funny how you wrote GOVERNMENT in all caps like some conservative grandma on facebook
Silver_ wrote
x)
OdiousOutlaw wrote
The US: Blah, blah, blah...unalienable rights...blah, blah, blah...life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness...blah, blah, blah...invading other countries is cool cuz democracy.
Everyone else: So, we're in agreement that food is a human right?
The US: The poor should starve, actually.