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Literallyshaking wrote

Are they really concentration camps? In world war two the Nazis rounded up people and took away their freedom. The folks being shepherded up by pueblas sin Fronteras are coming of their own accord, and violating United States law. Why would you take your children into such a volatile situation?

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heckthepolice2 wrote

lmao where are all these bootlickers coming from

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Literallyshaking wrote

I'm no bootlicker. I'm an angry man tired of being shoved around by authoritarians and elitists. But passion shouldn't preclude common sense. You know I'm right.

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heckthepolice2 wrote (edited )

Why is it that "common sense" always seems to mean "whatever's convenient for preserving the status quo"?...

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Literallyshaking wrote

I'm not talking about preserving the corrupt status quo. I'm talking about preserving what our fathers built

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CaptainACAB wrote

preserving what our fathers built

Pretty sure your fathers didn't build shit. They killed and exiled the natives and had my fathers enslaved to build shit.

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Literallyshaking wrote

The civilization you enjoy was built by my father's you ungrateful git. How's that indoor plumbing?

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CaptainACAB wrote

I don't enjoy this civilization, though.

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Literallyshaking wrote

Then leave it. Build yourself a caravan and head south.

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CaptainACAB wrote

Too bad. Leaving "your" civilization involves participating in it.

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Literallyshaking wrote

All I'm saying is "come at us, bro". Youpocket revolutionaries are just precious.

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ziq wrote

Fuck your civilization you entitled little shitstain.

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ziq wrote

I'm talking about preserving what our fathers built

So preserving your privilege that was built on the backs of migrants, the global South and by perpetrating ecocide on the whole planet?

Yeah, fuck that. I hope everything your father built crumbles into dust.

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Splinglebot wrote

tired of being shoved around by authoritarians and elitists

then why are you here defending them

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CaptainACAB wrote

Because they want to do the shoving.

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Splinglebot wrote

damn authoritarians and elitists keeping me down, stopping me from becoming an authoritarian elite

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Literallyshaking wrote

Dude, I lived in Tucson. The border is a lawless mess. And these people just keep coming. The border patrol isn't crossing into Mexico to get these people they just keep assailing the border and there are a lot of very bad dudes mixed in that I guarantee you don't want in your neighborhood.

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Literallyshaking wrote

Okay....well. if you are a southwest native then you've got a real case against my people. But in our defense we did bring water to the southwest and did our level best to preserve your culture and do right by you with entitlements, opportunities, etc. But if you want a fight you'll certainly get one. May the better people win.

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ziq wrote

Can't wait til you get replaced by migrants.

Banned for being human garbage.

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Literallyshaking wrote

Remember the Alamo!

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Literallyshaking wrote

Haha! Good luck with that chip on your shoulder, buddy. We have consistently kicked your people's asses and we will continue to do so. I didn't understand till now why my people were motivated to do it. You guys are assholes.

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Literallyshaking wrote

We're assholes with a track record of slaughtering people who fuck with us. You sure you want to poke the bear?

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Dirtbagleftist wrote

We're assholes with a track record of slaughtering people who fuck with us.

Vietnam and the entire global south would like a word

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c0pdislik3r_ wrote (edited )

The border is a lawless mess

lmao i grew up in the same area and this was literally the best part. people used to just do what they wanted. could cross whenever wherever and not be bothered by asshole cops

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bloodrose wrote

I'm not reading all of the thread to see if someone else said this. What people think of when they say concentration camp in regards to the Nazis were actually the death camps. These came after the concentration camps. The concentration camps came first. A concentration camp is a camp where a group of people are kept without trial for being a member of a specific class. In the case of what is occurring now, the class is "asylum seeker."

Also, don't tempt fate with shit like "Why would you take your children into such a volatile situation?" Pray you never have to answer that question yourself.

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Literallyshaking wrote

There must be some law. Anarchy is weakness that will soon end by powerful foreign governments. China would gobble us up just to collect what we owe them if the government fell. We have to use the existing system to oust the oligarchs and corporate cronies that have seized power.

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jaidedctrl wrote

How about we go back to the whole, “They are coming because USA destroyed their countries by upholding or bringing corrupt governments to power and their corporations siphoning away all the wealth.”

You just going to ignore that?

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heckthepolice2 wrote

w/anarchy101

You clearly have no idea what it is anarchists believe and do

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Literallyshaking wrote

I know that no functional examples of anarchy exist today. There are too many nations bent on conquest for an unprotected nation (especially a resource rich one) to stand alone.

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heckthepolice2 wrote

I know that no functional examples of anarchy exist today

What about hunter-gatherer societies? What about the EZLN? What about Rojava? If we're including historical examples, what about the CNT-FAI in Catalonia? None of these are "pure anarchies", perhaps, but that's because there's no such thing. Anarchy isn't about building some abstract utopia. It's about the real struggle against all forms of hierarchy.

"Anarchy is a tension, not a realization"

-Alfredo M. Bonanno

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Literallyshaking wrote

300 million people in the United states over half the globe. All enjoying liberties and opportunities unheard of elsewhere in the world. Saying "burn it down" just sounds childish. Sure, it's been hijacked and slipping into authoritarianism....but to throw it all out is stupid.

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heckthepolice2 wrote

it's been hijacked

Sorry, could you point me to the time in history before it was hijacked? Was it slavery? Jim Crow? When women couldn't vote? When being gay was illegal? Was it the genocide of millions of indigenous people? Japanese Internment?

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Literallyshaking wrote

Right around the time the federal reserve was created.

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heckthepolice2 wrote

The Federal Reserve was established in 1913. Some things that happened before 1913 include but are far from limited to:

  • The enslavement of millions

  • The Trail of Tears

  • The massacre at Wounded Knee

  • The founding of the KKK

  • Literally thousands of lynchings

  • Jim Crow laws

  • Ubiquitous sweatshop labour, including by children

And if the America you're advocating for is the kind that does shit like that, I'd like to ask that you please fuck off and die

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Literallyshaking wrote (edited )

Yeah, the Democrats we're pretty nasty all right. hundreds of thousands of my people died bringing them to heel.

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heckthepolice2 wrote

The Federal Reserve Act was spearheaded by Nelson Aldrich, a Republican senator.

So it sounds to me like you want to go back to a time controlled by democrats that was ruined by the actions of republicans right?

(also do you think I'm a democrat because if so that's fucking hilarious)

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jaidedctrl wrote

and violating United States law

the fact that you think “anyone who breaks the law deserves to rot in a fucking concentration camp” is just the cherry on top of your shitty ideology

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Silver_ wrote

I think that rioting and things like this are quite bad. Direct action is much better.

However, the state is still in the wrong and the "United States law" is illegitimate

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Literallyshaking wrote

So it's revolution, then? I'm not quite there. Though I will say the United States government has failed in every job it's been given. Maintain the infrastructure, secure the elections, enforce the rule of law and it's equal application, and protect the borders. All failures.

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heckthepolice2 wrote

The government's job is to enforce hierarchy through violence, and it has succeeded resoundingly at that task. Framing the state as "broken" or "failed" completely misses the point of why states exist in the first place and leads to the dangerous idea that we can use the state to fight hierarchy, as if it's some kind of neutral tool

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