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SpiritOfTito wrote

Ah yes 'if the revolution doesn't go exactly the way I want its not a real revolution'

Theres that divorcing reality from its material conditions again.

Its not as if they'd just just come out of a world war, a bifter civil war and invasion by 12 capitalist nations with the white army doing pogroms and killing jews, followed by a famine in 1921.

And by 1930 realising the world was on the path to another war as fascism solidified into a political force.

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AnarchistCommunist wrote

Ah yes "when you do dictatorial State Capitalism with workers having no say in their conditions while you systematically repress ethnic groups and execute libsocs its a real revolution"

Not better, and not worth it.

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SpiritOfTito wrote

Yeah tsarist russia was worth preserving. Jesus fucking christ

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AnarchistCommunist wrote

No, Bolshevik Russia was just not worth creating. The military record of anarchist movements shows them doing exceptionally well for their conditions, even when woefully underarmed.

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kestrel77 wrote

just remember, apparently your best argument for the soviet union is: "it was better than tsarist russia." that's uh not exactly the standard we're aiming for bud.

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SpiritOfTito wrote

Fuck that. Better soviet union than tsarist russia. Ill take the people who fought and died to make the world a better place by attempting to build socialism with what reality and historical materialism gave them than stupid first world leftists dreams.

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kestrel77 wrote

yeah that's not really what happened. in reality, a bunch of small-minded men held back the revolution because they believed in vanguardism, and then shit sucked in central asia for a long time. the people who fought and died to make the world a better place were the anarchists who fought and died at kronstadt and in the ukraine.