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AgitatedStatesOfAmazement wrote

Class should come first. The rest is just divisive.

This has never made the tiniest shred of sense to me. "Fighting oppression and thereby uniting the working class accomplishes nothing but dividing the working class!!!!!!"

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RedEmmaSpeaks wrote

It's the argument usually uttered by smug white boy brosocialists as they explain that they simply can't care about Id Pol and all those women/PoC/LGBT people should shut up and step aside, because we'll solve racism forever once we've solved poverty forever.

Again, they have the luxury of being able to ignore Id Pol, because on the whole, it doesn't affect their day-to-day life that much. Heck, they mostly benefit from Id Pol: society is catered around white men. Those outside the demographic of white, heterosexual, cisgender, and male, don't have that luxury. Whether we chose to acknowledge it or not, we're drafted into the fight from day one.

Class is an important issue, since money is basically the ultimate privilege, but it's simplistic to act like it affects everyone equally. Even LBJ said something along the lines that black poverty isn't the same as white poverty and he's right.

The Left is centered around the ideal that all people should be free to live their lives as they see fit, so long as it harms no one else in the process. Id Pol isn't a distraction from the cause; it IS the cause.

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AgitatedStatesOfAmazement wrote

If all they were saying was that we should focus solely on class issues and the rest will follow naturally once capitalism is gone, I would still disagree but at least be able to see where they're coming from given that most systemic oppression does tie into class. Where I really get lost is when they insist that anti-racism/anti-sexism/etc are all "divisive" and counterproductive to uniting the working class when racism/sexism/etc are literally the primary things keeping the working class divided in the first place. It's the kind of complete absence of any logical reasoning whatsoever that I would expect from a nazi, not a self-proclaimed radical leftist.

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mofongo wrote

It shows they only care about them in so far idpol can be used as a weapon against the right. Once you ask them to apply those believes upon themselves, it's Shields up.

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RedEmmaSpeaks wrote (edited )

It's probably because they don't want some fingers pointed back at them, don't want their egos bruised by people pointing out their role in sustaining institutionalized prejudices.

Even on the Left, white men are the most thinned-skinned fragile mothereffers around, their egos unable to bear the slightest criticism.

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kittybecca OP wrote

Class is an important issue, since money is basically the ultimate privilege, but it's simplistic to act like it affects everyone equally. Even LBJ said something along the lines that black poverty isn't the same as white poverty and he's right.

And even if individuals like George Soros and Barack Obama can be immensely successful, rich, and comfortable, racial resentment is used to channel all hatred at them and preserve the existing class structure.

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kittybecca OP wrote

They want the working class to be united under their leadership.

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