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Rum_Rabbit wrote

So what you're saying is when it comes to the issue of police violence Only Black Lives Matter. As a "person of color" I find that racist and I also think it's condescending to say that all people of color have to think the same way you do or they're also racist, as if you are the only genuine person of color ("assuming you are"). You are a liberal totalitarian in the way that you admit only your ideological perspective as the one true perspective and silence anything that varies from that even when it comes from anti-racist people of the affected community. Are you denying that I as a person of color know what institutional racism is like first hand? That I haven't heard the experiences of other people of color and been in solidarity with them? Are you saying I have to "inform" myself about the truth of your ideology by reading articles from the liberal counter-revolutionary newspapers and blogs that you post? As a proletarian I have a lot more interests in common with another proletarian, regardless of their skin color/ethnicity/language/nationality/religion than a rich bourgeois with the same "identity" thrust upon them as I have by those socially constructed factors, and I know a lot of other revolutionary anti-capitalist anti-racist militant people of color that feel the same way. If you are calling class consciousness racist then you are either totally uninformed about the nature of class society or you are a liberal counterrevolutionary trying to erase our perspectives as revolutionary people of color and you should have no right to be a moderator on a site that is being promoted as being for anarchists and anti-capitalists.

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GaldraChevaliere wrote

They haven't said any of that, though, if you paid any attention. The problem with those statistics is that whites are the cultural, political and demographic majority. There are more of them than there are of you, that is why more are dead going by numbers, which also leaves out intersectional politics entirely. A disproportionate amount of white folk slain by the police are queer or in poverty. Likewise, the amount of black people killed is disproportionate to the amount of black people in society, and again with more queer and poor victims overall. You're going off when you were literally just told to look at the bigger picture; that whether we think our identities matter or not, the state and its culture believes they do and that they make us less valuable, and therefore easier to harm. Poor, queer and PoC folks are by far at the most risk, and when those labels intersect, the risk is magnified. A black trans femme is way more likely to be killed by the cops than I am, even if I'm still way more at risk than a cishet is. As it is the last time I had to deal with them they 'just' stopped at groping me and holding me for hours.

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edmund_the_destroyer wrote

Here's a writer making a credible argument that class is actually the biggest factor in police violence: https://shetterly.blogspot.com/2016/09/why-blacklivesmatter-should-be.html

From the statistics he presents, the biggest risk factor for being a victim of police violence was poverty. So a separate case needs to be made that being queer or a PoC makes it worse with respect to police violence.

I'm not asserting - and I don't think that writer is - that life is equally difficult for PoC or queer people as for white cis people in all respects. But in this narrow category, it appears to be.

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GaldraChevaliere wrote

Given that the other articles I'm seeing by this writer are largely to the tune of "boo hoo idpol bad", I'm not particularly swayed. Class reductionists aren't known for their attention to nuance, and the argument he makes doesn't particularly refute the claim, because people of color, queer and disabled folk are still far more likely to be poor through the violence inherent in the system.

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edmund_the_destroyer wrote

people of color, queer and disabled folk are still far more likely to be poor through the violence inherent in the system

Good point, thanks for the food for thought.