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pstmod wrote

"All lives matter" is ridiculous. Black lives matter, too doesnt have the same ring and if you have to have the implicit too explained to you, then you are pedantic to the point of absurdity.

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ProleLivesMatter wrote

POC here. This is a racist comic that tries to erase "white" victims of police violence. Take a look at this page, it's a database of people killed by the police in the USA in 2016: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database

From the total number grouped by "race", we see: 24 Native American 266 Black 183 Hispanic/Latino 574 White 21 Asian/Pacific Islander 25 Other/Unknown

Clearly the number of "black" people killed is shamefully disproportionate since the total black population of the USA in 2015 is only 12.6% (Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_United_States#Race), but we can also see that the number of "white" people killed is not insignificant, being in total more than double the amount of "black" people killed, and the percentage of likelihood to be killed by the police is even higher for "native americans".

It is obvious that police violence is a problem that affects people from all shades of skin and ethnic groups, and the page does not give statistics on this, but I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of people killed by police are PROLETARIANS. To divide our class into racial groups when denouncing police violence is to weaken the struggle against the police and weaken the unity of our class. Proletarians of all colors must stand together against the police and the dictatorship of capital of which they are the enforcers.

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buzz wrote (edited )

even though tequila said it a lot better, these seem like the talking points of someone who really does not know about what blacklivesmatter is. you are right in (edit: maybe some of) the points you make, but by excluding how race plays into this whole system of policing, you are ignoring so much about how the US police operate. These talking points mirror those of brosocialists - class poltics and identity poltics go hand in hand, class doesnt invalidate the struggles of certain minority groups.

consider reading some of the works from the readinglist on http://aworldwithoutpolice.org/study-guide/

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Tequila_Wolf admin wrote

Hi there.

Being a POC (assuming you are) doesn’t preclude you from being racist to POC, which is what you’re doing here.

There are resources on this site that will address the very things you’re claiming - I hope you’ll take the time to have a look.

Forums f/PoC(or f/ACAB, f/Race, f/Blackness, f/Prisons) might be a place to start. But also checking out the wiki w/ACAB would help. Often I take the time to pick out specific articles for people appropriate to what they are saying, but unfortunately I have a lot of my plate at the moment.

Your username is a violation of the w/Terms_of_Service as is what you’re saying, so you’ve been banned globally. Class reductionist racism is not our friend here, nor is appropriating black struggle language for it. If you’re lucky, someone else here will take the time to put together some reasons for you.

Cheers

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Rum_Rabbit wrote

So what you're saying is when it comes to the issue of police violence Only Black Lives Matter. As a "person of color" I find that racist and I also think it's condescending to say that all people of color have to think the same way you do or they're also racist, as if you are the only genuine person of color ("assuming you are"). You are a liberal totalitarian in the way that you admit only your ideological perspective as the one true perspective and silence anything that varies from that even when it comes from anti-racist people of the affected community. Are you denying that I as a person of color know what institutional racism is like first hand? That I haven't heard the experiences of other people of color and been in solidarity with them? Are you saying I have to "inform" myself about the truth of your ideology by reading articles from the liberal counter-revolutionary newspapers and blogs that you post? As a proletarian I have a lot more interests in common with another proletarian, regardless of their skin color/ethnicity/language/nationality/religion than a rich bourgeois with the same "identity" thrust upon them as I have by those socially constructed factors, and I know a lot of other revolutionary anti-capitalist anti-racist militant people of color that feel the same way. If you are calling class consciousness racist then you are either totally uninformed about the nature of class society or you are a liberal counterrevolutionary trying to erase our perspectives as revolutionary people of color and you should have no right to be a moderator on a site that is being promoted as being for anarchists and anti-capitalists.

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GaldraChevaliere wrote

They haven't said any of that, though, if you paid any attention. The problem with those statistics is that whites are the cultural, political and demographic majority. There are more of them than there are of you, that is why more are dead going by numbers, which also leaves out intersectional politics entirely. A disproportionate amount of white folk slain by the police are queer or in poverty. Likewise, the amount of black people killed is disproportionate to the amount of black people in society, and again with more queer and poor victims overall. You're going off when you were literally just told to look at the bigger picture; that whether we think our identities matter or not, the state and its culture believes they do and that they make us less valuable, and therefore easier to harm. Poor, queer and PoC folks are by far at the most risk, and when those labels intersect, the risk is magnified. A black trans femme is way more likely to be killed by the cops than I am, even if I'm still way more at risk than a cishet is. As it is the last time I had to deal with them they 'just' stopped at groping me and holding me for hours.

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edmund_the_destroyer wrote

Here's a writer making a credible argument that class is actually the biggest factor in police violence: https://shetterly.blogspot.com/2016/09/why-blacklivesmatter-should-be.html

From the statistics he presents, the biggest risk factor for being a victim of police violence was poverty. So a separate case needs to be made that being queer or a PoC makes it worse with respect to police violence.

I'm not asserting - and I don't think that writer is - that life is equally difficult for PoC or queer people as for white cis people in all respects. But in this narrow category, it appears to be.

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GaldraChevaliere wrote

Given that the other articles I'm seeing by this writer are largely to the tune of "boo hoo idpol bad", I'm not particularly swayed. Class reductionists aren't known for their attention to nuance, and the argument he makes doesn't particularly refute the claim, because people of color, queer and disabled folk are still far more likely to be poor through the violence inherent in the system.

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edmund_the_destroyer wrote

people of color, queer and disabled folk are still far more likely to be poor through the violence inherent in the system

Good point, thanks for the food for thought.

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kwyjibo wrote

TIL not singling out races is actually racist.

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ziq wrote

Would you people stfu if the word too were added to the end of it? Black Lives Matter Too? Because seriously, the non-stop white fragility is giving me nausea.