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LucyParsonsRocks wrote (edited )

I don't see why it would have to lead to hierarchy.

How would it not? Even if you could actually create a truly voluntary transhumanism (which you can't because everyone would be pressured to adopt it so as to not get left behind), the people that voluntarily abstain would become an obsolete species.

Unlike their peers, they wouldn't have genetic engineering to give them superhuman bodies at birth, they wouldn't have cybernetic implants to increase their cognitive abilities and physical strength, they wouldn't have immortality, and eventually they'd face discrimination and persecution like in every society founded on eugenics. They'd be freaks. Primitives. A remnant species.

Looking to technology to free humanity is like looking to Fox News to inform us. Technology isolates us far more than it unites us. Building your entire ideology around the idea of enhancing yourself through technology to somehow liberate society (by making yourself superior to those who opt out) is completely illogical. Eugenics and techno-supremacy isn't equality, however you try to sell it.

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selver wrote (edited )

How is that any different than anything else? Literacy for example, or fashion. Do we outlaw new clothing cause the people still wearing their JNCOs will be shamed and outcast? Do we ban reading & writing because it will lead to the literate dominating the illiterate? I really don't see the difference here. We're talking about an anarchist society, you aren't going to be out-competed in the marketplace, you'll be free to abstain if you'd like.

Why should I accept your authority in limiting my growth and exploration of new ways of living? In changing my body, mind, and environment as I so desire?

It's gray-jumpsuit communism and an attack on my freedom.

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LucyParsonsRocks wrote (edited )

Do we outlaw new clothing

Who said anything about 'outlawing' anything? This is about basing your political ideology and your whole identity on technology and its perpetual growth.

We're talking about an anarchist society, you aren't going to be out-competed in the marketplace, you'll be free to abstain if you'd like.

I'm not talking about an 'anarchist society' because I don't live in a world where an anarchist society exists or is anywhere close to existing. I don't like to base my politics in theoretical utopias.

But how exactly would I not be outcompeted if everyone else is a superhuman and I'm not? Markets have nothing to do with it. Even if I swallowed your perfect communist techno-utopia pill where everyone is free and equal and puppy dogs tails, the people that abstain are going to be outclassed in every other aspect of life. Communism or not. Starting from the gene pool and going to life expectancy, education, career, attracting mates, making friends, etc, etc.

Replacing capitalism won't change the fact that space and resources are finite, that not all technologies are created equal, and it won't change the fact that some people are just dicks that will persecute those who are ill equipped to compete for resources in a world where billions of superpeople live forever.

Do we ban reading & writing because it will lead to the literate dominating the illiterate?

By basing your entire identity on the accumulation and expansion of technology, you create a hierarchy far more domineering and destructive than your literate vs illiterate example. People that are unable to read are absolutely oppressed by a society that requires we read. It would be so much worse to create a world where abstainers are literally rendered an inferior lifeform.

Why should I accept your authority in limiting my growth

You sound like a capitalist right now. I didn't try to assert any authority over you. But in a world where your 'growth' comes at the expense of my freedom, at the expense of the environment us mere mortals require to sustain us, I wouldn't hesitate to fight back. And there is literally no way to produce the resources to equip 8 billion people and all their descendents with equal tech without destroying the environment. Communism isn't magic.

It's gray-jumpsuit communism and an attack on my freedom.

I'm not a communist, I'm an anarchist.

When your freedom infringes on my survival... Fuck your freedom.