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kinshavo wrote

Reply to comment by Tequila_Wolf in by !deleted39333

I will enter this convo if it's ok, I want to engage with your comment about the sentiment of being in the middle of war.

First I want to remember, I said many times before that I carry many contradictions and a certain hypocrisy that I am ironically proud of. I like ambiguity and poetry, so I cultivate doubt and uncertainty.

Now with that said I agree with picking allies from liberals, leftwing or any potential closer ally than capitalists can be helpful for survival and I personally work irl with many people who are tankies, generic leftists, liberal feminists, even workers that hold tangential fascist values. If I am honest this don't accomplish the anarchy I imagine or even a middle path to a generic consensual "anarchism", but accomplish specific goals, for example assembling a FoodNotBombs chapter or holding a squatted social centre.

And I agree with subrosa, I think other users here too share this very same feeling, noted that Raddle is very vitriolic with baby anarchists or leftism. I see this as necessary in an ideological sense, exactly to prevent a possible appropriation.

Other point is that is that the users here come in every walks of life, and the only fact to have a stable connection to internet put all of us in a kind of a elite comparated to the mass of people. And sure many of us never get the taste of the war, some just smelled the powder smoke from the distance, other just read the news from far, etc. And we are fighting different wars or none at the same time. I can say that I am very privileged to never tasted hunger, violence from the state or any existential threat so despite the empathy I may show I will never now some levels of oppression. Sorry if this last paragraph come out as corny, can't think in a better way to put it


Tequila_Wolf wrote

If I am honest this don't accomplish the anarchy I imagine or even a middle path to a generic consensual "anarchism", but accomplish specific goals, for example assembling a FoodNotBombs chapter or holding a squatted social centre.

So here are some thoughts I am curious about how you relate to:
Anarchy is the thing we live every day by making decisions with what we have. What you described as the anarchy you imagine is something if I understand you is practically never going to happen for any of us. Around here many of us are nihilistic enough to hold no hope for that. But whenever people argue or posture for purity the main line of reasoning they have is that if you don't the revolution will be coopted. But if the transcendent revolution is not going to happen and so if purity is not going to bring us closer to the utopia, then does it change how we can relate to the non-anarchists? I think that is possible.

Separately, I'm not saying anyone necessarily is or is not in war - I'm interested in how people perceive themselves to be participating in making anarchy, because it is useful to understand people's decisions based on that. And for me, one of the big questions underlying questions of who to collaborate with is, are we treating this as war?


kinshavo wrote

I agree that the anarchy is what we are making everyday and it was my personal thought, that's why I bother with prefiguration, everyday revolution. But even then I am honest to say that I can't live anarchy the way I think anarchy should be (for myself), the police still harass us, I still have to sell my labor to buy house food and water.. the thing is, the way I see it, it's not some kind of Nietzschean endeavour to be your own delusional king (I was using schizophrenic, but I don't find how to use it in a non ableist way, I waned to say when you are trapped by intrusive thoughts that in this case is self inflicted by ones staunchly ideology). I may have lots in common with nihilism, but I personally never abandoned the futile struggle, and it's a personal instance. I justify this to myself adhering to insurrectionist thought that isn't overtly nihilist, not sure if it was the conspiracy of fire cells or others but they treated the continuous insurrection as a praxis not a end in itself.

The war metaphor is useful and for many a real one. But again it boils to personal sensibilities, if we don't have hopes for a mass uprising or that even we (the anarchist we™) make a consensual position in society, the question loses importance if each individual ia acting accordingly with their personal beliefs or pontual objectives. Maybe don't matter to have this dogma itched in anarchist collective consciousness. I say collaborate who best align with your goals and make things work but be aware that you can be drawn to other people agendas too.

Sorry if I tergiversate in my comment. I feel dissociated to theory and discourse more and more so this is becoming more philosophical than practical for me at the moment, if I only have the courage/energy I would probably would assemble my own insurrection