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Hibiscus_Syrup OP wrote (edited )

Umm, short version: Not 'seeing race' is regularly used to systematically deny that there are historical advantages and disadvantages given to those people with the various created categories, cemented over centuries. We have to be able to recognise the categories to be able to unmake them. Regardless of whether a person sees race, racism is still there, and ignoring it does not make it go away, it perpetuates it. I've never once heard someone from around here say "I don't see race" who wasn't a full of shit racist who hasn't even done the basic work of understanding their place in history.

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Ennui wrote

Race is not defined by genetics or even necessarily skin color, as shown by the fluidity of racial dynamics historically. It was and is a form of identification with cultural in-groups and out-groups. As a proof of this fact, take the racial identity of the Irish pre-assimilation into English and American culture; while the Irish were technically a part of the white in-group, they were considered a lesser racial breed than the English white man. Nowadays, however, the Irish white person is readily considered part of the white in-group.

To identify as white is to identify with the oppressing class. To identify as a POC is to be a part of the oppressed class, but also the class that fights against racial oppression. Therefore, the person who doesn't see race is ignoring the cultural dynamic in favor of positing that everyone is equal when oppression still exists, while discounting the cultural identify, for instance, of blackness, which has made real forays against oppression historically.

And this concludes my lecture on why racist white people with no experience of racial oppression racistly believe that people of color are racist for embracing blackness, brown-ness, asian-ness, etc. when such cultural identifications are opposed to the racism that led to the race dynamic in the first place. Race race race race race.

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CaptainACAB wrote (edited )

It's merely a component to being the most racist person.

It's also a stock phrase spewed forth by "not racist" liberals, typically as a response to being accused of being racist.

It's also used by liberals too uncomfortable with the discussion/acknowledgement of the socioeconomic realities of race; the sentiment itself is fine, but is perverted by insincerity.

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CaptainACAB wrote

That a racist person would deny the existence of races would undermine their racist beliefs, not the opposite.

Don't assume racists are being sincere when they use this stock phrase, it's a deflection, nothing more. The meme is about racist people denying the existence of race to justify racist sentiments, all of the above are stock phrases.

Humans are different shades of brown/pink, and the only people I usually encounter opposing this view are White racists.

Then what are you even arguing against? If white racists are the only ones who can't see any physical differences between races, then the meme fits even through your interpretation of it.

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CaptainACAB wrote

Okay sure, some are trying this trick.

Yeah, and they're who the meme is making fun of.

Tho the reality of race as a social construct definitely ain't an argument in support of racism, still.

No one was saying anything to the contrary.

That's the opposite to what I said.

My fault.

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Hibiscus_Syrup OP wrote

I did not think u/lautreamont assumed I was a race realist, btw. Just that they were asking a question.

Germans for example generally get aggressively taught not to 'see race' - it's weird when they come here. Different places just get told different stories, and some of them are bad ones.

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