maskfutures wrote
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What proof do you have that CPC is imperialist? Western propaganda excluded of course.
mima OP wrote
Search up about the "nine-dash line".
mima OP wrote
If you're too lazy and want communist sources, here are some from the CPP:
maskfutures wrote
Do you know how dangerous it is for China when it is surrounded on all sides by murderous imperialists? Read this several times until it sinks in if you have to.
China drew the line in 40s, before other countries made their own claims, also before the UNCLOS existed... Think about this for a minute (or an hour, if you have to). China was the first to lay claim. China put its flag down and called the territory for its people while the other powers had no interest....
If you believe China's claims to be overzealous, well, if you think a line that encloses 80% of the South China Sea isn't fair, do you think Vietnam's claim of 60% of South China Sea or capitalist Philippines 50% claim is best?
Who do you think leftists should trust with the territories? An actually socialist state like CPC or a fascist state like Duterte? Or Vietnam?
If you say Vietnam with its weak USD2082.20 per capita GDP, then you are ignorant. Look at China's strong USD8254.30 per capita compared to Vietnam. Which party do you think is in the position to hold onto the territory in the imperialist world? Would Vietnam even exist still if China didn't protect it? No, comrade, the USA would have destroyed Vietnam in the 80s.
ziq wrote
If you say Vietnam with its weak USD2082.20 per capita GDP, then you are ignorant. Look at China's strong USD8254.30 per capita
omfg
GlangSnorrisson wrote
Talk about a communist utopia lmao.
mima OP wrote
I now seriously question whether he's really a communist, or a troll. No sane communist would seriously use the flawed GDP.
maskfutures wrote
If you won't accept GDP because of your hangups then accept the real conditions on the ground...
http://www.china.org.cn/china/2020-11/11/content_76897737.htm
mima OP wrote
China drew the line in 40s, before other countries made their own claims, also before the UNCLOS existed... Think about this for a minute (or an hour, if you have to). China was the first to lay claim. China put its flag down and called the territory for its people while the other powers had no interest....
All of that doesn't matter nowaday though, because the Permanent Court of Arbitration invalidated China's nine-dash line. It's funny how China wants everyone to follow international law, when they themselves are violating it. They had been given a chance to properly justify its claim on the SCS. But they weren't interested.
If you believe China's claims to be overzealous, well, if you think a line that encloses 80% of the South China Sea isn't fair, do you think Vietnam's claim of 60% of South China Sea or capitalist Philippines 50% claim is best?
I'm not sure where you get those exaggerated figures. Also, the Philippines is not capitalist. Don't fall down the trap RJs ("rejectionists" who disagreed and separated from the CPP's reaffirmation of MLM, protracted people's war, and the description of the Philippines as a semi-colonial, semi-feudal country) fell into.
An actually socialist state like CPC
Somehow a party where billionaires are members and a party who haven't took a real, hard stance against the 996 working system is socialist.
fascist state like Duterte
Which exists thanks to China's support.
If you say Vietnam with its weak USD2082.20 per capita GDP, then you are ignorant. Look at China's strong USD8254.30 per capita compared to Vietnam.
This is the first time I've seen a communist seriously use GDP, a flawed measurement, to support an argument.
Would Vietnam even exist still if China didn't protect it? No, comrade, the USA would have destroyed Vietnam in the 80s.
I seriously doubt this. It's true that the Viet Minh and Viet Cong had some significant support from the PRC, but I think the North would still have won even with less or no support from China. China should of course be credited for its contributions in the Vietnam War, but we shouldn't make it look like China single-handedly saved the communists from U.S. imperialism. That would be an insult to the martyrs of the Viet Minh and Viet Cong.
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