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train wrote

Idk I would like some idea about how we dismount from this house of cards called capitalism without massive suffering and environmental destruction. Granted I accept that prognosticating where the development of society is headed is a difficult if not impossible task. Though I'm sure that might frustrate people who think historical materialism is the same thing as Asimov's psychohistory.

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ziq OP wrote

how we dismount from this house of cards called capitalism without massive suffering and environmental destruction.

We don't. Capitalism is creating ecological and economic collapses all over the world, millions are dying, millions more have been displaced, uncountable species have been lost forever, that's just the reality we live in. Civilization will continue to collapse as every civilization in history has, and eventually something new will form from the rubble. We will have no control over what that new thing is because we have no power to control the trajectory of tens of thousands of disparate cultures. Cultures that will no longer be globalized by civilization and will instead evolve in isolation. A culture forms to meet the needs of the people in its immediate environment. To imagine you can affect the lives of people living thousands of km away, with their unique needs and aspirations is a colonial mindset that needs to be unlearned.

What we can do is live by example, live anarchy, and maybe others within our own cultures will follow.

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train wrote

I understand and appreciate your sentiments. However, I do worry that capitalism will find a way to persist even as civilization as we know it collapses. I do not want a future where an expansionist hierarchical mode of production perpertually rails against the material limitations of the earth to the detriment of all life.

I also do not think that the biomass of humanity can subsist in a non globalized world. I would prefer if mass starvation due to ecological collapse and resource wars can be avoided. Though I agree that it's likely humanity will be forced to find local and more sustainable means of subsidence once way or another.

All in all, I personally can not forclose the possibility that I can affect some sort of change. I understand the future is uncertain and my individual impact is limited. However, that limited impact may be materially meaningful to some concious life. That is reason enough for me to care about the theoretical means through which crisis can be averted or at the very least dampened.

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