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Isarad wrote

I really don't get this line of thinking. Doing backbreaking work will never not be work, but some of it will always be necessary - cleaning toilets will never be a fun thing to do but it has to be done.

I obviously don't think we shouldn't try and alleviate struggle and pain as much as possible. But it's gonna be hard to live good lives without anyone ever doing work. And I mean work as in the shit no one wants to do.