Submitted by glitter_v0id in mediation (edited by a moderator )
https://raddle.me/f/meta/24325/comment/30712
This is entirely unacceptable.
I raised the point in the spam chatroom after the kretek thread went up that we, as a community (not just Raddle) are far too tolerant of transphobic bigotry when compared to other forms of bigotry in our communities.
we allow them to stay, we try to educate them, well beyond the point at which they have indicated they cannot or will not accept any change to their worldview.
After a repeated pattern of abuse from the user about to be banned, /u/Hal is still arguing that they should be "allowed" to stay because
I think they've been rather civil and have been contributing to discussions
Frankly, that doesn't matter and the fact that he thinks it does suggests some serious level of either sincerely believed bullshit or (more likely) internalized bullshit.
I am not suggesting a user ban (nor would I support it at this juncture) nor am I suggesting he should be removed as mod from all of his forums (though I wouldn't object if others did) but he is saying he doesn't believe espousing terfisms makes a person inherently dangerous and that isn't someone I feel safe representing /f/trans.
additionally
Just to clarify, I wouldn't have allowed that rhetoric on f/trans.
leaves open the interpretation you would allow it elsewhere. I'm kinda pissed, but this does not bode well.
An_Old_Big_Tree wrote
Since it's been four hours I'm going to say something to continue this conversation.
I think a lot of us are so weighed down by trans issues, since a lot of us are trans, that it's quite hard for us to engage, in various ways.
It's from this perspective, along with a general reluctance to ban people who present themselves as trying to learn and heal (which I'm not actually sure about in the case of u/kretek in light of the nonsense said about postmodernism in relation to transness, and their super-convenient dodgy definition of 'transphobe'), that I understand u/Hal's reluctance to do a global ban.
I also think that the global ban of u/kretek was completely the appropriate thing to do, and that we all should as a standard be far more clear and firm on this topic than we have been. There were a handful of oversights and I agree that we have been too tolerant, because these conversations and the ban should have been had at least 26 days ago, after another bout of terfing that followed a forum ban for terfing.
So finally I do agree with u/glitter_v0id that u/Hal is (at least at the moment) acting with too much leniency towards this issue, and that it reflects a real problem for his moderation of f/trans. I think that there was only one way to come down on this issue after having checked out u/kretek's post/ban history.