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An_Old_Big_Tree wrote

I’ve been seeing a regular stream of anti-boomer sentiment from some US people I know. Graphs etc showing that there is a substantial structural imbalance between boomers and millennials/GenZ people.

I’ve been interested to think about how much intergenerational conflict is a core axis of the climate issue in the US. And would be interested to hear anybody’s thoughts on this.

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El_Sabate wrote

There's a huge amount of intergenerational conflict in the US. I think a lot of it is inherently materialist, so talking about it should be rooted in the materialist causes of the conflict, but I don't think that means the conflict isn't real or that it's inherently reactionary to talk about it.

What would you like to talk about with regard to the conflict? It's such a broad category that it could almost go anywhere....

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celebratedrecluse wrote

that includes the elderly in severely impoverished societies.

Boomers are a US phenomenon, perhaps including parts of Europe. It's not a term that makes any sense whatsoever outside of the "West", and anyone who assumes that is just using the term nonsensically imho

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alerdz5 wrote

There is certainly issue taken with the life of boomers from people in generation z. Even in other generations. There was a lot of state help boomers got through their lives and the debts for that still exist to this day. People aren't exactly happy with that. That's not too wonderful. I don't think there are a high abundance of present debt fans in the world. lol I think the boomer issue is one that's being talked about but certainly it could be talked about more. More communication isn't going to hurt. If people don't talk through things, random issues could occur in there judgments. There are just random malfunctions. That's what happens when people aren't completely informed. Things just don't pan out ideally. So, I think the more talking the better, people should talk extensively. Get communication going. Define it as a near virtue, I say. Orient a model of morality with that in there. It's not a negative in any stretch I would propose, not a single way is it no good. lol

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dessalinesdefencesquad wrote

This is the worst kind of identity politics, dividing the working class into 2 age ranges so they can be pitted against each other. The capitalists are laughing all the way to the bank.

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ziq wrote (edited )

I read a really interesting article about how money kills empathy in people. Since boomers overwhelmingly have all the money and all the power, at least in relation to younger generations, there's really no difference between resenting them and resenting the ruling class. It's the same thing. They got theirs and pulled the ladder up from under them. Fuck em.

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bloodrose wrote

They got theirs and pulled the ladder up from under them. Fuck em.

Thank you for so succinctly illustrating the problem. I see this with mine and my husband's parents...and these are people who are supposed to love us. It gets much worse when you get into people who aren't even related.

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ziq wrote (edited )

They also destroyed the planet and brought on the extinction of everything we know, so there's that.

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bloodrose wrote

While reading your comment to someone today, I was reminded by them of an article we read stating that the poor and the radicals tend to die younger, so what we are left with of the boomer generation are the wealthy and liberal.

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An_Old_Big_Tree wrote (edited )

I'm curious then whether boomers are structurally advantaged in similar kinds of ways that whites or men or capitalists are. Because it's at that stage where understanding things in terms of groups makes some sense.

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bloodrose wrote

In the US they absolutely were. They benefited from work reforms their parents' generation fought for in blood (literally). They then either let those reforms lapse or actively worked against them. One such example is to look at overtime wages. There was an exception for overtime that included a salary range. If you made over a certain salary, you were exempted from getting overtime wages if you worked more than 40 hours a week. This has never been updated. The wage at which you are exempted is something like $20k, so low that it is no longer a manager's wage. It means a junior accountant can be expected to work 80 hours a week while never making enough to buy a home. Or a receptionist. This is only one example.

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bloodrose wrote

They then have the nerve to say they worked hard for theirs and so the young people should have to work hard, too. They think when the young people are burned out, they're being entitled whiners instead of realizing they are working twice the hours.

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DarkArmillary wrote

Generational analysis is not Class analysis; there is no direct oppression that the old have over the young. It that were case, it may be a different situation. As such, most of the rage against Boomers ends up being a misdirection. I see comments on here getting voted down that make good points against it.

There can be some limited analysis that can be made generationally, for instance in terms of values and cultural shifts. But with the argument being made that Boomers hold institutional power, and that’s why they’re deserving of ire; well this is only contingent upon time being a factor — they simply got there first.

Do you know what (rich) Boomers are doing as they age, as they retire, and as they pass on? They are handing down their wealth to their millennial and gen-z children, so they can acquire resources and invest funds and soak up a passive income so they can live a life of luxury and never work a real job a day in their life. That’s the element of Class Analysis that Generational analysis lacks, and thus misdirects from. There are plenty of millenial and gen-z capitalists and future capitalists (or worse) who would choose to continue the cycles of expolitation.

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celebratedrecluse wrote

there is no direct oppression that the old have over the young

clearly you have not been physically, sexually, or financially exploited by your family while growing up. Good for you, I would not recommend it

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shanc wrote

there is no direct oppression that the old have over the young

That is the most direct oppression there is, /u/DarkArmillary. And the most common. Next time you hear of a child grounding their parents, let me know. Or a child molesting their parents. Or a child starving their parents to death.

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An_Old_Big_Tree wrote

Generational analysis is not Class analysis; there is no direct oppression

You sound like a class reductionist. Are you?

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L0rdEMPRESS_GaLaXyBrAiN wrote (edited )

The vast majority of Boomers I know are totally part of the problem and constantly prolong it's life. It's a good thing mortality is a thing and time continues to move forward. They got so much handed to them and they took it for granted and in the face of the future their children will be facing many of them continue to turn a blind eye.

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L0rdEMPRESS_GaLaXyBrAiN wrote (edited )

You shouldn't tell minorities that they are part of the problem and they should die.

I'm not telling myself this, but keep on blabbering. Boomer is not a minority group. I am trans and most people who give me shit are boomers. So don't tell me my choice in belief is selfish and then blabber on about 'minority this and minority that,' go eat shit and experience mortality.

The vast majority of Boomers I know

Read that part like five more times really slowly and come back when you have something worth saying you pig.

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Splinglebot wrote

Replace "boomer" with literally any other privileged group and you may realise how ridiculous this sounds

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waitingforthesign wrote

....I'm not sure how you can manage to interpret "boomers got so much handed to them" as "people who were marginalised in the 60s deserved it"

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