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n_n wrote

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I said population is a factor in the way that the system works, I agree what u/Ziq said with their examples.

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ziq wrote

the world has the population it does because of civilization / industrialism / capitalism. without those things, the population would revert to its pre-industrial numbers because humans would no longer be the disposable commodities needed to power industry. our lifestyles would revert to being regenerative like the rainforest peoples instead of isolating, disconnected and destructive. we'd live as part of our ecosystems instead of safely above them encased in concrete boxes, so we'd feel everything done to the ecosystem like it was done to our own bodies and react accordingly

right now we've been forcibly cut off from our ecosystems so they can be exploited and so we can be exploited

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n_n wrote (edited )

Population is a result and not the cause is what I'm saying. There is also the issue with food waste.

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ziq wrote

When ppl ping me I just say a bunch of stuff about the topic, wasn't in response to anything you said really.

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n_n wrote

I agree with what you are saying. I just wanted to add that. ^_^

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shanc wrote

Glad we can all agree there are too many people in the world.

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n_n wrote (edited )

When we agree with that? You still aren't reading what we are saying.

Ziq said:

It's not constructive to talk about overpopulation because it empowers the filthy rich eugenicists

Doesn't matter whether or not it's true that an ecosystem can only support so many humans, focusing on it only hurts vulnerable people and lets the billionaire industrialists make scapegoats of them.

The rich made this mess and the best way to alleviate harm to our ecosystems is to remove the rich from the equation and shutter their enterprises so we no longer need to huddle around industrial cities begging for their scraps to survive.

the world has the population it does because of civilization / industrialism / capitalism. without those things, the population would revert to its pre-industrial numbers because humans would no longer be the disposable commodities needed to power industry.

Nobody agreed with you saying that there are many people in the world. We said that is irrelevant how many people are because there are not the cause of the problem. I'm not going to keep discussing with you since you don't pay attention to what we are saying.

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shanc wrote

Glad we can all agree there aren't enough people in the world

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[deleted] wrote (edited )

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shanc wrote

I'm just going to assume you're a FaCiSt who wants to kill people and I'll make sure to tell everyone you are.

Please don't! I'll tow the party line in the future, I promise! Just to confirm, was the correct opinion 'there are an optimal number of people in the world'?

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