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Reply to comment by An_Old_Big_Tree in Friday free talk by mofongo

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An_Old_Big_Tree wrote

a moot point to mention

I don't think it's moot for two reasons. Because it perpetuates the way that colonised and racialised peoples are invisibilised. And because the reason collapse is so big a deal at the moment is because it's collapse for white people too. Indigenous peoples have been facing and enduring collapse throughout modernity but only now that it's white people's problem too are we giving the shits we are.

I'm beginning to realize more and more that a state isn't necessary for genocide to take place. All it takes is one frame of reference to declare itself correct and everything else is a threat. Then all it takes is choosing sides.

I don't think we need states so much as state-thought (a la Deleuze).

Achille Mbembe characterises this well when he talks about racialising projects as those that enclose humanity within a small group (in our case Europeans), stealing humanity from the commons (similar to how we'd understand from Proudhon property as theft from the commons), and that being a justificatory mechanism for 'civilising missions' and other forms of fascistic violence.

All it takes is one frame of reference to declare itself correct

I'm not sure if it is ever just this or if there is also necessarily some kind of dehumanising function involved in a kind of moralising one's superiority in holding the framework.

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An_Old_Big_Tree wrote

if over population is the problem and the climate is constantly nose-diving the only option is genocide

I don't think this is true either. Rather than genocide, a little dose of antinatalism can go a long way. Also, it seems like much of the west is becoming infertile, and aside from Africa, global birth rates are going into the negative already. That combined with a basic increase in autonomy for people with ovaries would likely result in a significant reduction in autonomously-decided birth rates.

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