Love is an illusion

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Richard Dawkins - “Life is matter and only matter. We are survival machines — robot vehicles blindly programmed to preserve the selfish molecules of DNA known as genes. The only purpose of life is DNA survival: a person is nothing more than DNA’s way of making more DNA like itself.”

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SomeIconoclast wrote

The notion that life even HAS a purpose is laughable and overly restrictive. "New Atheists" like Dawkins are trash because they're reactionary and replace worship of the divine with the worship of some other vapid abstract idea; be it with their uninformed interpretation of science, "logic", or whatever other pedantic bullshit wannabe scholars clamor over.

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amongstclouds wrote

The follow quote I read in a book a few days ago feels relevant.

"When true myths are abolished, they inevitably come to be replaced by artificial myth, and in fact, the type of thinking intent on relying on its logic alone, while operating in a realm where this logic opens up no new horizons, turns out to be defenseless against the various scientistic "mythologies", rather as the abolition of religion leads not to a rational view of the Universe, but to a counter-religion that will not be long in devouring rationalism itself; for to set man absolutely free--he who is not absolute--is to set free all manner of evils in him, without there remaining any principle that would limit them. All this goes to show that basically it is a kind of abuse of language to give the name "science" to a knowledge that leads only to practical results while revealing nothing concerning the profound nature of phenomena; a science that by definition is devoid of transcendent principles can offer no guarantee as to the ultimate results of its own investigations." -Frithjof Schuon, Treasures of Buddhism, The Meaning of the Ancestors.

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amongstclouds wrote

Yes, capitalism has done a great job at convincing us we exist only to 'survive' by stripping us of our uniqueness. Don't fall for it, comrade.

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Majrelende wrote (edited )

If you believe it, it shall be true.

Edit: I would not recommend taking that to heart. You have much more potential than as reproductive machine.

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BrowseDuringClass1917 wrote

Love being a result of chemicals in your brain doesn’t make it less special, it makes it more special. Love is beautiful and real, Dawkins is just a loser.

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ziq wrote

Same thing goes for the equally wonderful feeling / chemical process of hate.

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ConquestOfToast wrote

That's completely reductive even within purely physical descriptions. Which Dawkins should fucking know instead trying to be grandaddy edgelord. This wreaks of teenage platitudes surrounding narratives around logic. You gonna tell me facts don't care about my feelings next?

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Majrelende wrote

I am sorry I keep having to make edits and posts, but my thoughts on the subject are evolving continuously.

It may even be that altruism and cooperation actually increase chances of survival, at least for the species, more than selfish desires would. For example, take the current climate crisis. It may be that someone who is concerned about the climate crisis will have fewer children, which will be better for the survival of both the human species and most other forms of life. This would not necessarily increase the birth rate in the future, though, as the amount of children someone has is affected by numerous factors, the most notable one in this situation being concern about the planet and humanity, though there are other factors as well, such as poverty, access to birth control or abstinence, rape, miscarriage, and child mortality. Ideas are transmitted socially, not genetically. Therefore, anyone can adopt the idea to have fewer children in order to prevent humanity from draining more of the planet’s resources. In addition, imagine family that decides that they will have many children so they can preserve their royal blood or whatever through the crisis. This is unreasonable. For example, they may be less mobile, making escape from climate change more difficult and less practical, not to mention the fact that someone with more children will have difficulty feeding everyone unless they are either lucky or incredibly resourceful. The subject is not so black and white.

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Dumai wrote (edited )

"The materialism of this last century was predominantly mechanical, because at that time, of all natural sciences, mechanics and indeed only the mechanics of solid bodies—celestial and terrestrial—in short, the mechanics of gravity, had come to any definite close. Chemistry at that time existed only in its infantile, phlogistic form. Biology still lay in swaddling clothes; vegetable and animal organisms had been only roughly examined and were explained as the result of purely mechanical causes. As the animal was to Descartes, so was man a machine to the materialists of the eighteenth century. This exclusive application of the standards of mechanics to processes of a chemical and organic nature—in which processes, it is true, the laws of mechanics are also valid, but are pushed into the background by other and higher laws—constitutes a specific but at that time inevitable limitation of classical French materialism.

The second specific limitation of this materialism lay in its inability to comprehend the universe as a process—as matter developing in an historical process. This was in accordance with the level of the natural science of that time, and with the metaphysical, i.e., anti-dialectical manner of philosophising connected with it. Nature, it was known, was in constant motion. But according to the ideas of that time, this motion turned eternally in a circle and therefore never moved from the spot; it produced the same results over and over again."

  • Friedrich Engels
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xowx wrote (edited )

its like you didnt even read the book, assuming this quote is cobbled together from The Selfish Gene as i cant find it

just because the meat, cells and proteins dont -- cant -- care about anything

doesnt mean that the emergent complex system that is a living creature is similarly restricted

rocks cant think (... maybe) but we press silicon into chips and fill them with lightning and create worlds with them

at worst per the book you are a meme machine, but you can at least choose your memes wisely

anyway dawkins is shit, ianal, fyiad, ymmv

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