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bloodrose wrote

I've become obsessed with the Townsends Youtube channel. It's a channel that talks about 18th century America: cooking old recipes, showing old skills, and talking about just interesting history stuff. One of the Q&A videos had a piece that really hit me. Jon Townsend was asked about salt and he talked about how to us it seems pretty basic - you have saltwater, you boil it down, you have salt. But that people of the 18th century, just weren't that technical and were potentially anti-intellectual or just plain not interested in more than just living life. And I just pictured it: people who've left big cities to move to the eastern united states at a time when it was just full of old-growth forests. And I thought: I would love to move to some old-growth forest and just live. Who gives a crap about tech when you could just live with the trees? We had our company all-hands meeting today and I was able to see a tree out the window and I just felt such a longing to get up, walk out the door and go pet the tree.

Also, I think I need to get some bottles to make 18th-century style ginger beer.

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Yotahala wrote

I like Townsends as well. Researching day-to-day historical modes of living close to nature is what largely inspired me to eventually join an eco-village. It's amazing to see how people solved problems we tend to take for granted today.

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Westfield wrote

That sounds really interesting. What are some of the things that the community encountered and overcame that may not occur to someone in the general population?

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Yotahala wrote

I might as well use this thread to introduce myself. I came here from Reddit after seeing this place linked to in a few subreddits I like. I'd heard of a left-oriented alternative to Reddit for a while but I never really explored it that much. I live in New England, I'm a married, cishet woman, and both of my parents grew up on an Oneida reservation. I don't like to place labels on my beliefs, but you could consider me an eco-anarchist. In terms of hobbies, I enjoy bushcraft, camping, hiking, TTRPGs, OTBRPGs, board games, and reading. If you have any questions, feel free to ask.

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ziq wrote

Welcome. Lots of eco and green anarchists here - probably a bigger concentration than anywhere on the web.

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selver wrote (edited )

I hate working in a workplace with passionate people who care about the company & work they are doing. My last job was much much worse, but at least everyone could be openly hostile towards the company. Too many of my opinions on what goes on day to day are so tied to my politics that I usually have to just avoid expressing one.

In other news, this Spinoza book is so good. Anyone interested in the ethics vs morality question, read chapter 2 of Deleuze's Spinoza: Practical Philosophy. Short, accessible read.

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BigG wrote

Sounds like you need to seed some dissent and turn people against their managers

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selver wrote (edited )

Managers are irrelevant when employees take up their values themselves. If anything, half these would people would turn on the managers for not exploiting them or increasing productivity enough.

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celebratedrecluse wrote

That's true, but it sounds like you have already thought of a way to turn half of the workers against your bosses, even if you didn't realize it.

To clarify: perhaps you can seed the impression among some of the workers that the bosses are failing their "workplace mission" through incompetency. Once there is substantial conflict between middle management & the lower-ranked workers over this, it may be possible to generalize this resentment beyond the initial issue.

Of course, if you work in a high-turnover environment, this is exponentially more difficult. As an "evolutionary" mechanism, I find often that your sort of workplace (high worker loyalty to the mission of the company) is usually correlated with astronomical rates of turnover); although, there are exceptions to every generalization, and I do not know your particular situation.

Alternatively, another tack you can take is to discuss non-work related stuff with your co-workers, and build bonds of mutual solidarity on those bases. For example, find out what their hobbies are, their favorite hangouts, the media they like, the neighborhoods they live in. Get them to open up to you. When they do, they will also likely disclose problems of structural oppression they face: their landlord's rent, their abusive partner, maybe even the private concerns they hold about the workplace. But it's all about building trust, ultimately. If you can form a connection outside work, then you've won arguably the hardest battle of the entire unionization process.

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BigG wrote

In that case, you may as well just turn worker against worker and create pure chaos. If they're acting like cops. It's not hard to do, just spread paranoia and fear and get them to destroy each other.

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alex_ wrote

it’s supposed to snow here a lot, on and off the next four days. hoping i get snowed in for at least one

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Notech wrote

why'd you wish for snow? it snowed here yesterday, melted half way through, then it hit -10 and everything become fucking slippery ice.

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veg wrote

getting snowed on here for the past few days in midwest USA. -20°C about the last week

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alex_ wrote

yeah i feel for you all, i imagine it’s not even fun at that point

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veg wrote (edited )

I've been having a bit of a mental breakdown lately when it comes to dairy. Like I've been craving pizza so bad (I know it sounds like a joke) that i keep thinking "maybe I should just be vegetarian". Its something I havent felt since I went sober. Its been on my mind for days.

Advice?

edit: I guess i should specify that Im craving pizza from the local pizza joint

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ziq wrote

Vegan cheese.

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Pop wrote

This is perhaps the best option if you aren't stealing

There are quite a few pretty good ways to make your own if you look around online a bit, also.

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ziq wrote (edited )

Vegan cheddar costs 3.50 euros a kilo here. You can get a full sized block that will last a month or two for 8.79. It's made with coconut oil and is indistinguishable from the real thing. Has a year shelf life.

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bloodrose wrote

If you can afford it, the cashew cheese made by Miyoko's is to die for. I've been meaning to learn how to make cashew cheese myself because I rarely get to eat Miyoko's because of how expensive it is. But it hits that fat pleasure spot.

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TheLegendaryBirdMonster wrote

dominos started making vegan pizzas this month afaik.

You can try bringing vegan cheese to the local pizza joint and ask them to cook with it for you lol

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bloodrose wrote

Every now and again, I still get a cheese craving. I understand cheese has an opioid type effect on the brain. I'm not sober so I just grab a glass of wine and some popcorn with way too much earth balance poured on top.

However, if it's pizza you're in the mood for, may I suggest a pizza without cheese? It's actually quite good. I like it with a dairy free pesto sauce and some salty toppings like olives.

I also do a "bruschetta" type flat bread that is kinda like a mix between a pizza and a bruschetta:

  1. Chop tomatoes and toss with basil and minced garlic (or if you're a psycho like me, use the micro-planer on your garlic). Let that sit a while - the longer it sits, the more the garlic seeps into the tomatoes.
  2. Cook some canned chickpeas in a skillet with a sauce of balsamic vinegar and a touch of ketchup (no, really, it's good). Caramelize that balsamic onto those chickpeas.
  3. Toast some pita bread and smear some hummus on top. Put the chickpeas and tomatoes on top.
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alex_ wrote

my only advice is don’t be too hard on yourself if you do end up eating pizza

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veg wrote

alright man :(

its just that i've been so serious about veganism for months and months. vegetarian for even longer... idk. thanks

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veg wrote

im a pacifist and included in that (personally) is not stealing...

which is why im vegan in the first place! this sucks :(

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Tequila_Wolf wrote

I'm interested to hear what pacifism has to do with not stealing if you wanna have a shot at explaining :)

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veg wrote

I dont give a shit if other people steal if theyre doing it in the right way, i guess i occasionally take snacks from work without paying, etc, I just used to do it and now I dont. idk. makes me feel bad, plus its kind of addicting. id rather take a minimalist approach to anti consumption rather than shoplifting

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BrowseDuringClass1917 wrote

salvia soon, excited

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selver wrote

Give us a trip report after. I've never done it but it sounds pretty wild.

Have you done other psychedelics?

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BrowseDuringClass1917 wrote

I’ve done 3g of shrooms, a 50ug tab of lsd, and dxm a few times

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Tequila_Wolf wrote

Never heard of Dextromethorphan until today.

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BrowseDuringClass1917 wrote

Dex is fucking weird man, I never really knew about it except from this video, until I was going to smoke a few bowls at a friend's house and he was like 'let's do 450mg of dxm' and I just went with it. I yakked like 4 times and shit twice in his house, the first time I'd ever been to that house also, it was a mess. I really fucking enjoyed it though and we're much closer now which is wild because we were close already.

Since then, I've done two first plat doses (100-200mg), a second plat dose (450mg) and a third plat dose (600mg). I'd rate dex at a 6/10. Uh yeah

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Tequila_Wolf wrote

Sounds interesting, I'll probably try it if I come across some.

Separately, please don't refer to me in gendered ways.

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BrowseDuringClass1917 wrote

If you do make sure that dxm is the only active ingredient in what you’re taking.

And sorry, I didnt mean it in a gendered way