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Cheeks wrote

I'm about to have roughly 30k ffrom selling my deceased mother's home. I'm considering buying a warehouse and outfitting it for group living for anarchists and like minded community activists and artists. The goal is to create a mutual aid oriented living space that alleviates much of the major barriers that capitalism imposes within the typical confines of modern existence. Making it possible for part time workers and illegalists the affordability for the necessities of living, allowing time for community and broader anarchist activities. I'm privy to many punk oriented community warehouse environments but I want this to go farther. Any ideas or criticisms is welcomed, as well as any other insights. Currently it's just something I'm entertaining, but at the same time I'm not sure what else to do with the means I will soon have.

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celebratedrecluse wrote

don't try to pull this off alone, you will need to plug in to communities which are already working together, hopefully on similar projects (either now, or in their past experiences)

good luck!!

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ziq wrote

Sounds awesome. Warehouses have a lot if expenses though so maybe also set up a business in it to pay the expenses. Hydroponics or aquaponics maybe.

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Cheeks wrote

Ziq playing on my expertise. Shame. Lol

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ziq wrote

Sorry, I figured you just had experience farming outdoors.

I'm surprised you can get a warehouse for 30k. They're 500k to 2 mil here.

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Cheeks wrote (edited )

When comes to growing food, i've down just about it all.

Yeah, to buy a warehouse it would be be much more. I was thinking about renting. There used to be a place here called the Ark Warehouse that was similar but more music and art focused. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eJOSRuWw00

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alex wrote

sick again, so i’m spending the day at home which is fine but i’d rather be saving sick time for things that are a bit more serious than a cold

trying to learn about growing food and herbs while not having land to do so.

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Cheeks wrote

There is plenty of ways to grow food in tight space without land. Look into not only areoponics but the Kratky method. Should give you a starting point. as far as the cold, take care of yourself and adjust accordingly. We will see you back at your best soon enough.

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alex wrote

thank you i’ll look those up :)

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Tequila_Wolf wrote

I have too much going on these days and I'm not really sure how to manage it all.

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GaldraChevaliere wrote

I've been busy all week, what did I just walk back in on?

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betterletter wrote

I caught a cold by forgetting to take my meds one night. fuck this. still trying to stop eating so much damn sugar

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bloodrose wrote

I've been sleepy and lazy this week. Sorry I haven't been around much. <3 u all.

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rot wrote

Anyone remember that thread about Anarchism from a libertarian perspective? it argued for anarchism using terms that right-wing lolbertarians use. I can't remember if it was from raddle or reddit and can't find it here.

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xvx wrote (edited )

Friendly reminder that smallpox, unintentionally spread by European settlers and African slaves, is what killed the vast majority of indigenous Americans. It also killed plenty of Europeans and Africans at the same time. The 'smallpox laden blankets' bio-terror story is almost completely a myth. There are only 2 recorded mentions of this being suggested, one of which never proceeded, and the other did proceed but was the act of one man. The blankets, though coming from smallpox infected individuals, were likely fine as they weren't fresh. There's no proof it had any effect as smallpox was already ravaging that area. Native Americans actually spread the smallpox to the fort from which the blankets originated!

Smallpox also likely wiped out huge segments of the Mayan's and Inca's, leaving them vulnerable to the Spanish. The decrease in population, and the subsequent rewilding of the land, caused a mini ice age.

So, some question this raises:

  • why are NA activists falsely claiming Europeans conducted bio-warfare and are responsible for a genocide?
  • if smallpox didn't factor in, what would America look like today?
  • if the climate cooled after 90%+ of NA's died from smallpox, does that mean their agricultural practices were warming the world?

UPDATE: here are some sources for anyone interested in a fact-based assessment of history, as opposed to anti-European and anti-African propaganda:

The British, the Indians, and Smallpox: What Actually Happened at Fort Pitt in 1763?

Biological Warfare in Eighteenth-Century North America: Beyond Jeffery Amherst

Cherokee Medicine, Colonial Germs: An Indigenous Nation’s Fight against Smallpox, 1518–1824

Epidemics and Enslavement - Biological Catastrophe in the Native Southeast, 1492-1715

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mofongo moderator wrote

All right you ignorant fool, I'll indulge you in your half-assed attempt to whitewash the past.

Why are people suggesting that Europeans were responsible for a genocide (hint: there were several)? Let's take a look, do you know which was the first act of Columbus on his second voyage when he was received as a friend by Anacaona? He trapped all the people in the village in the bohio and burned them to death.

Did the Cortez do when his life was spared by the Mayan general after having his "army's" ass beaten to oblivion and invited to the, well, Mayan king's court? Kill the king and demand a gold tribute.

What did Pizarro do when he reached Inca lands and was received with a great welcome? Take the king hostage and demand gold.

What did British colonists did to the very same Indigenous people that shared their food so they didn't die in the winter?

Time and time and time again, the first contact of the Europeans with the people of the Americas has been driven with greed and blood lust. Had there not being smallpox, it would have been lead; conquer and decimation was their goal, no matter how long it took. This decimation is something that continues today, just take a look at /f/indigenous.

Now that your simple act of genocide denial has a crater size hole, what do you have to say about it?

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xvx wrote

You're pushing a narrative that has little proof. Sure, there was invasion and warfare, and plenty of war crimes. That's the history of humanity. The Indigenous tribes of the America's were warrior tribes for a reason and were highly versed in warfare themselves.

The narrative that I'm questioning is that white people invaded the America's to kill everyone and take everything. Too many times do I see the story being pushed as '95% of NA's were killed by Europeans in warfare and by biological warfare'. That's completely false! The European settlers were a small minority compared to the approx. 112 million natives, and would have had zero chance of defeating them in battle, even with advanced weapons. Biological warfare didn't even properly exist until the early 1900s.

Smallpox has devastated the globe. During the 20th century, it is estimated that smallpox was responsible for 300–500 million deaths worldwide. It finally came to the Americas courtesy of unwitting European settlers and African slaves.

The narrative that smallpox was deliberately used to kill 95% of Native Americans holds little weight and has no proof.

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Pop wrote

for someone who talks about proof you've been pretty slow with your citations

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mofongo wrote

The point is dimwit, even if smallpox and other old world diseases weren't used as bio weapons all of the time, they were used as such some of the time, specially smallpox.

Even taking out old world diseases of the equation, it does not negate the very much other real acts of genocide Europeans committed against the people of the Americas.

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conseil wrote

why are NA activists falsely claiming Europeans conducted bio-warfare and are responsible for a genocide?

Even if the prior was untrue, which I don't think is the case, why would the latter be false?

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betterletter wrote

uh... hmm. come on man, i thought you were cool. why would you even start a convos with this?

question to the mods, can you delete this account and give me the username? i want it

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xvx wrote

Digging away at history for the truth should be important for everyone. The current narrative pushed by NA activists took root in the 1960's counter-culture of the USA, pushed by mainly white hippies, and ignores historical facts to push an agenda.

I strongly believe that we should challenge all historical narratives that have little or no proof, even if they come from our side of the political spectrum. I argue with fellow vegans, straight-edgers, anti-colonialists, and general lefties all the time.

And c'mon man, trying to steal my handle? Uncool!

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ziq wrote

I argue with anti-colonialists

There's no doubt about that.

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alex wrote

proposing Europeans didn’t commit genocides in North America isn’t “digging away at history for the truth,” it’s ignoring reality.

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Mango wrote

The only disease is whiteness.

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xvx wrote

More racism. Does Raddle not have a policy against this?

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Tequila_Wolf admin wrote

Global ban for racism. Racism is a top-down structure, not merely the play of interpersonal prejudice. Reverse-racism doesn't exist. It doesn't take much to learn about this, so please do since you consider yourself an anarchist.

We have forums and wikis on this topic, also.

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ziq wrote

Is anyone else no longer surprised by how many self proclaimed anarchists pull this oppressive shit?

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ziq wrote

Yes we have a policy against white supremacy. Someone ban this clown.

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xvx wrote

White supremacy? That’s you’re take away from it?

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ziq wrote

Crying reverse racism, denying indigenous genocide = white supremacy.

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