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GaldraChevaliere wrote (edited )

Reply to comment by mouse in Friday Free Talk by ThreadBot

Because it's not anarchist shit, dude. It's trans and sex worker and women shit. That's what you keep failing to understand when you talk about transness or about sex work. There's nothing anarchist about talking about subjects you don't understand as if you do, when you wield power over the groups they affect. It's why I don't weigh in on black issues beyond "yeah this is a problem and I'll try to stop doing it/get others to stop doing it" or asking questions about what they need done in the community to feel safer. I don't have those lived experiences of blackness so it's not my place to talk in depth about them save to reinforce to other whites that they should listen to those groups in the first place.

Without the lived experiences of being trans in the world, without the lived experiences of having done sex work, you can't understand what those things are like and that's what makes you and every other cis guy frustrating to talk to and uncomfortable to be around. I'm not policing your education, I'm telling you to hush and listen to the teacher. There are ways to have input without talking over the people who actually went through those situations, and to be honest I don't trust you enough in the first place to want to be the one to educate you.

If you want to be a good ally or whatever, like seriously and genuinely, then start by reading. I don't mean books or papers or whatever. I mean accounts. Read stories and accounts and diaries from trans women, read stories and accounts and diaries from women in sex work. Get a picture of our lives from our own descriptions and then ask the questions you want to ask, and what you can do to help.

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mouse wrote

well who's gonna fuckin teach me if nobody "trusts" me?? what do you think I'm going to do to you??

Look, whatever, I get that you're not really a fan of me. But If you would just give me a couple good, productive comments (like the one i'm replying to) and not just shout down at me for being a "breeder" or whatever maybe I could learn.

But seriously, if I get censored from convos bc of my sexual identity, I'm out. I'm just doing my best, aight? im not trying to talk over anyone. I take everything anyone says into consideration, including you, but I have an easier time understanding things by asking questions about them.

"hush and listen to the teacher" is how you create apathetic students

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mouse wrote

okay yes this makes sense. thank you for giving me an actual response. i just wish i could participate in the community before i knew everything-about-everything. I read what i can, when i can.

dont get me wrong, i like it here, but raddle sometimes comes off as if there's only ever one right opinion on a particular subject and anything else is just plain wrong and offensive. anyway i was told to abandon the thread so thats what im doing now

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GaldraChevaliere wrote

Tell me why you deserve trust or goodwill as a given, let alone after the shit you pulled when I told you that you were wrong about a reproductive rights issue that you have no stake in. Tell me why you should be held exempt from the standard women and femme gay men have had to set because of cis masc dudes' fragile egoes and tendency to collect woke points so they can get away with violence against us.

If you're out than go already, because I'm not going to give you special treatment.

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mouse wrote

Okay, sure, I'll tell you all that stuff.

Tell me why you deserve trust or goodwill as a given

Its called being polite. You dont always have to be polite, as im not always polite either, but automatically distrusting me because im cis is discriminatory. sorry.

let alone after the shit you pulled when I told you that you were wrong about a reproductive rights issue that you have no stake in

I'd like to think I do have a stake in the conversation of reproductive rights. I would want my girlfriend to be able to make decisions about her body and her future if she were to ever get pregnant.

Tell me why you should be held exempt from the standard women and femme gay men have had to set because of cis masc dudes' fragile egoes

I dont really understand what you're saying here. Im not looking for special treatment, I just dont want you to hate me just because im not a woman or gay or trans. I definitely wouldnt call myself "masculine", im quite a soyboy (dont worry, its ironic) lol, and I have pretty low self-esteem so nothing I would consider an ego issue.

tendency to collect woke points so they can get away with violence against us.

This is definitely something that happens, but I promise I dont want to commit violence against you. If me trying to be an anarchist is just "some fuckboy collecting woke points" then am I even allowed to be an anarchist by your standards?

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mofongo moderator wrote

Abandon thread, please. Further questions about this topic, please pm me.

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ziq wrote

No one owes you an education fam.

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mouse wrote

yes i know but you guys are the only people i know even talking about these subjects. Anything i try to fish for online will probably end up being a liberal take and not a leftist/anarchist one. i just want to be able to talk about stuff, this is a forum after all.

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ziq wrote

There are things you have no business talking about.

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