0w0 OP wrote
Reply to comment by retiredshared2 in Seems people here oppose to fundamental rights without any discrimination of race, class, creed and area in Pakistan. Can we discuss it? by 0w0
They are not structures or mechanisms, so is not close at all. Unless that you think that stable, valued, recurring patterns of behavior in people are oppresive.
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0w0 OP wrote
That nation are oppresive? How are oppresive?
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0w0 OP wrote (edited )
You have to keep in mind the actual context of the Pakistani society, in the current state of things this is positive that these questions are being raised. I would also like to see that the Pakistani society get rid of the thinking that they need a state.
LostYonder wrote (edited )
Three points: first, can you name one country where the "current state of things" is that dissimilar from Pakistan? Child abuse, discrimination and violence against women, oppression of marginalized social communities - all seem pretty universal practices in every nation-state.
Second, of course a nation is an institution. You conflate "structure" and "institution". The nation idea - territorialized identity based on some semblance of shared culture and history - is a completely and totally fabricated idea. Nations are made-up artifices that are internalized as "real" through a variety of oppressive mechanism that attempt to homogenize cultures, languages, religions within a given territory. They are produced through schooling, mass media, museums, holidays, etc., that people imagine as real and kill others because of that imagination!
Third, nations are inherently oppressive - even without a state to overtly police the boundaries of the nation. Not everyone in any country belong to the same nation, the same culture, have the same language, or history. The nation must somehow claim and assert commonality, which means erasing the culture of minorities, killing them, keeping others out, forcing a single language on them, etc. It happens as much in France and the US, as in Pakistan and India.
The nation-state is the most destructive artifice mankind has ever come up with, much more destructive than religion!
0w0 OP wrote
I agree. Hovever, do you know of an anarchist Pakistani article to know if the people there are talking about this? There was a magazine, The Arousal, but is not in circulation any more. There are socialist publications but question the nation state doesn't seem to be a current thinking in the pakistani society.
ziq wrote
There's no reason something like that would be in English.
LostYonder wrote
Unfortunately, it most likely would be in English! Such perspectives are predominately part of the educated, english-speaking, urban bourgeoisie.
There are some growing radical movements though.
https://www.tanqeed.org/2016/05/badr-okara-terrorist-peasant/
One of the few critical voices: https://www.dawn.com/authors/3/aasim-sajjad-akhtar
There are others, particularly in Karachi...
0w0 OP wrote
Why not? English is an official language in Pakistan.
ziq wrote
It's an official language here too thanks to colonialism but no one would use it to write a radical takedown of the state.
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