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It's logical to use a variety of different accounts to avoid having one account targeted by obsessive vindictive trolls that don't like your ideas or your shares. I want to go back to using alts

Submitted by ziq in lobby (edited )

when I'm forced to only post with this account, it makes me a giant target, especially since I post my shares when the majority of other users are asleep and thus I cover the entire front page with one username for a couple of hours, which causes people that already can't stand seeing me to hyper rage.

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supernice wrote

Keep posting your content. I wouldn't let someone masquerading under an anon account dictate if and when you post. The person has a personal problem with you, that's clear. And Tequila Wolf it seems as well. They obviously don't feel comfortable engaging the community directly without needing to hide behind an anon account, and don't expect them to not use the alts you propose as another weapon against you later. They will. It's clear this is personal. None of this nonsense is about there being a ton of "garbage" posts...it's obviously about if those posts are made by you or Tequila. They're trying to silence you.

I personally would prefer to know I'm dealing with the same person, without having to think about potential alt OR anon accounts, but honestly....who's to say that many of us here are not already using alt accounts? There's no guarantee of that, so I guess what really counts is the interactions with the community those accounts have. If it's just being used to stir shit, then there's a problem (much like the anon accounts seem to be) and it will be obvious. In the end, what you think is the best path for you is what matters. Do what you feel is best and right, not much else matters if you maintain your integrity.

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bloodrose wrote

Seriously, I've been using raddle more because at least the front page changes now. I'll try to post more, too. I really like raddle over reddit and want it to survive. I'm happy to see the posts complaining about you are getting downvoted to negative. It at least shows that people appreciate the content and don't care for the trolls.

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365degrees wrote

Last time you had alts you used them to troll everyone and we had a big meta post about it. Are you sure you want to go through that again when you get caught?

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ziq wrote (edited )

What's the difference to you if I discredit transhumanism and tankieism with this account or another? Get over it.

And calling me a troll after the shit you've pulled is rich. You shouldn't even be here after all the times you've fucked this site over for your own petty revenge.

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GrimWillow wrote

I think it's useful to have accounts with a consistent name to build a rep, but I always viewed the internet as being an anonymous medium first and foremost. I honestly think using "alts" has, and always will be, a normal thing to make on the internet. I feel that everyone should try to be as private as possible, but many of the cultures we are a part of encourage us to not be private. I can understand why people would be annoyed if they think that they're talking to multiple people, and they find out that it's just one, but ultimately I personally don't care.

People that are screaming bloody murder over you having alts just don't make sense to me. I think we'll be targeted pretty heavily out here, so take their efforts with a grain of salt. The doxxing is the real concern. Don't trust links in general on the internet, but especially from the shared accounts.

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theblackcat wrote

The users that demand ziq only use one account are the same users that would (and have) dox or snitch on us without a second thought.

And they all have lots of alts and have used them to mass downvote... I've seen ziq get 9 downvotes in a couple of minutes when clashing with one of them.

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rot wrote

You got in trouble for having multiple accounts so using alts will attract more trolls once they figure out it's you. We just need to get better at banning the anti-ziq brigade

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go1dfish wrote

This is why I went with anonymous by default for https://notabug.io

Want the site to focus more on ideas than individuals; I think the petty interpersonal drama and pigeonholin that happens on sites like this can be quite destructive.

I mostly just lurk here myself, I don't have any other accounts in case anyone else was wondering.

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ziq wrote

The owner of notabug.io has configured their website improperly. To protect your information from being stolen, Tor Browser has not connected to this website.

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go1dfish wrote

Yeah I don't know what's up with that I'm using let's encrypt and certbot, I think it might have to do with a server move.

It only happens for me in tor browser and not in any other browser, genuinely confused.

Try https://www.notabug.io/ instead maybe?

Also site currently requires javascript, because it's built that way but I hope to get serverside rendering working sometime this weekend. WIll likely be read only this way for the foreseeable future.

You can download/build your own instance though and avoid browser security entirely if you like.

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go1dfish_is_using_Github wrote (edited )

Error: Invalid Certificate Chain

https://notabug.io uses an incomplete or invalid certificate chain. Check out your site at https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/

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ziq wrote (edited )

that link shows:

notabug is a p2p fork of reddit built in javascript. javascript is required to run it

yeah I'm not gonna enable js, sorry. Is it as active as this site? why not just use postmill so you can properly protect user privacy?

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go1dfish wrote

Totally understandable. Plan to provide an install able app eventually as well but it will likely just be an electron wrapper around the existing code.

More active in terms of links, probably less active in terms of comments right now but a bit hard to say given that it is anon my default.

My aim is to build a p2p/federated alternative to centralized sites like reddit and raddle that will eventually be usable to connect those distinct alternatives together retaining their uniqueness.

I'm building it based on reddit's open source UI which I have converted to react components (as seen on https://snew.github.io also requires js)

I plan to only support writes in JS because all authentication is crypto based and happens clientside don't want to accept passwords serverside at all.

Also I worry that if I provide more traditional post endpoints in such an anon environment it will make things way too easy for spammers at this stage.

And finally, voting is a proof of work problem, so to be able to vote on notabug.io at least; it is a requirement to run a pow solver locally. Voting isn't required to participate now; but if spam gets heavy it will become effectively necessary to raise above noise.

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BunnyBop wrote

Maybe there should be shared accounts with specific purposes, like for sharing news. People who want to remain anonymous or otherwise don't want to make their own account for some reason can share what they want for that particular purpose without making themselves targets, and we know that that account isn't for voting and whatnot so people can't abuse it.

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ziq wrote

I don't use the anon accounts because the moment I start posting e.g. anticiv stuff, post-left stuff, whiteness stuff, someone will log in and delete it all.

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Dumai wrote

i mean the moment anon starts posting anticiv stuff is the moment people will just start saying it’s you posting anyway

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retiredshared2 wrote

Hm. Would it be remotely possible to prevent the posts and comments made by shared accounts from being deleted? (except by an admin)

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retiredshared2 wrote

It's possible, just a third type of user with less permissions than a regular user. But it needs to coded into postmill.