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nuvpr wrote

You can't be selective with racism, racism is discrimination and mistreatment based on race, and "race" here means any race not "all races except people of a certain skin color"... Sounds to me like your whole perspective is based on racial american politics (white boy bad, black boy good) which I honestly don't care about as I'm not american, and I know for a fact that racism and genocide against white people is a thing and always has been in many parts of the world, just because you're ignorant about it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Personally I have zero tolerance for racism, either open the floodgates for all of it and say it's free speech or ban all of it, no exceptions.

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Ant wrote

I'm not american and disdain american politics

however I have read a lot of postcolonial theory, race theory, and relevant philosophy of race - enough to tell you with confidence that you have only what could be called a pop-culture white liberal commonsense idea of what racism is rather than an antiracist one

and many of the the users on this site have read similarly
like i said, we build our lives on being good at this

there are quite a lot of resources on the topics on this site if you're interested in looking further

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nuvpr wrote

I'm not american and disdain american politics

Good, then don't apply them to me.

you have only what could be called a pop-culture white liberal commonsense idea of what racism is rather than an antiracist one

Oh I'm sorry, didn't know the dictionary definition of racism is merely an "idea" held only by pop-culture white liberals, guess I'm inside the "pop-culture white liberal" box now! I just love it when people paint with wide brushes... Though isn't it kinda weird calling the justification of racism "antiracism"? I think "pop-culture white liberals" call that an "oxymoron".

and many of the the users on this site have read similarly

So I take it I'm not welcome here unless I agree with their personal beliefs right? Isn't that, you know, anti-diversity?

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DaisyDisaster wrote

What would be anti-diversity is letting bigots air their opinions, that's why we're strict. Such a tolerance for bullshit would signal to POC, trans people, women, ect that they are unsafe here and that we have no regard for their voices. We'd rather they feel safe than someone get to freely spout bigoted, wrong beliefs.

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nuvpr wrote

diversity is okay as long as it's selective diversity of a certain defined selection of beliefs

And here we go again!

If I told you I was part of these groups and your beliefs (regardless of what they are, or whether they're affecting me or not) make me feel unsafe, would you ban yourself? What about if I was not part of these groups? Will you do as I say but only if I'm a certain race/gender/sexuality/etc?

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DaisyDisaster wrote

These things aren't determined just by individuals. There are people of color out there who have internalized racism and would disagree with me, however, I'm not basing my suspicion of absolute freeze peach on what one individual says or feels, but what a group of people generally experience and feel. And yes, I have been corrected by white people speaking out against racism when I find their arguments are sound. The same for cis people and men.

You aren't as rational as you seem to believe.

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Ant wrote

Good, then don't apply them to me.

haven't been

dictionary definition of racism

a racist world will produce that kind of dictionary definition
literally a whole world of antiracist academic, radical, and social work on race is more than enough to challenge dictionaries that pretend to be apolitical by just reproducing the disadvantaging structures of society

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mofongo wrote

Dictionary definitions are hardly the minimum needed to claim knowledge on a topic, specially such a complex topic like racism.

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nuvpr wrote

Explain to me what part of "discrimination based on race" is complex. No really.

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DaisyDisaster wrote

You've literally been ignoring everything people here have said to you haven't you? They've told you we consider racism more complex than a dictionary definition. You're gonna have a bad time here if you keep ignoring our arguments and putting your fingers in your ears.

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nuvpr wrote

I think I got it now, you and a bunch of others decided not to follow the dictionary definition for "racism" and to follow instead the dictionary definition of "selective racism", but for the word "racism". Understood...

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DaisyDisaster wrote

Nice strawman there, but no one is talking about the dictionary but you.

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nuvpr wrote

Well hey feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but that's how I see it. Sorry I'm the only one in the club who doesn't want to arbitrarily define terms whenever I please.

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DaisyDisaster wrote

Yeah, that's the problem, you aren't open to correction. Your immediate reaction to us was defensive, not curious. You didn't ask us how we came to that conclusion, you just reacted.

I see your game and I'm not playing it.

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Dumai wrote

you ever consider that maybe language has certain uses not catalogued by the dictionary

ever think that maybe using a word a certain way in one ideological context doesn't negate its uses in other contexts

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Ant wrote

Oh, and genocide of white people does exist, but not by people of colour, not since the invention of race at least

I totally missed that part of your comment the first time :/

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nuvpr wrote

genocide of white people does exist, but not by people of colour

So what do you call what's been happening in south africa this year, what with the mass killing and torture of white farmers by black locals?

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Tequila_Wolf moderator wrote (edited )

Since I might as well start preparing an answer in general for this, I'll respond here.

White genocide myths perpetuate as part of white supremacist narratives everywhere in the world whenever white racists feel like they're losing their advantage. This is a phenomenon worth learning about on its own, and you'll find a lot of articles on Raddle around these topics, probably in f/Africa, f/Whiteness, and maybe also f/Antifa, f/FascismRising and other places.

This was actually posted on Raddle today - an article on probably the most reputable (though liberal) newspaper in South Africa:

White genocide: How the big lie spread to the US and beyond

Aside from that, Statistics Surrounding South Africa’s Farm Murder Rate Are More Political Than Accurate

Users here have suggested you do some reading, it might be worthwhile for you to do so. There's only so much that they can say before it makes sense just for you to go to the source.

Just a heads up, you are skirting the ToS and exhibiting troll-like behaviour, so consider this a warning. "Free Talk" doesn't mean free to break the w/Terms_Of_Service.