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tuesday OP wrote

The whole Andrew Lloyd thing has got my mind running on over-drive. I have a lot of thoughts but nothing really expressable yet. Except to say that I've been thinking about the idea of youth liberation when that liberation is considered in the context of recontextualizing youth into sexually available partners for adults. Which has been connecting with some stuff I've been reading about the criminal prosecution of youth and the ways that brains develop (not only among humans but apparently other animals too).

So now I'm thinking about age and stages of development and how of all of the things that I agree with my teenage self with, the appropriateness of adult/teen sexual relationships may be the one thing on which we disagree, and vehemently on both ends. I wonder if I would have been able to frame this in a way that my teenage self would listen to though. Or if I would just be mad at myself for being old and boring and forgetting how strongly I felt and how self assured I was? And if I was right about everything else isn't it likely that I was right about this too?

But no, I wasn't. I very very wasn't.

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roanoke9 wrote

My teenage self would have argued tooth and nail that my brain was fully developed but in retrospect, my personal experience sure does bear out that 25 seemed to be a milestone that internally was significant as opposed to 18 which was just an arbitrary status change.

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moonlune wrote

I'm the same as I was when I was 16. I know more stuff but I can't think of any important decisions I made recently that would be very different 10ish years ago.

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roanoke9 wrote

I thought of a flaw using myself as an example- if what was happening around me was the same as what was happening around me at 18 to 23 or so, it might have made no difference what age I was.

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monday wrote

I sense that the "youth liberation" topic is always derailed by pedo apologia and pederastic dudes wanting an anarchy pass..

You never see "youth liberation " framed by teenage voices, and I agree kids and teenagers don't have the best tools to help (experience, freedom or fully developed brains) - and this is a bit connected to this concept. Someone asked me to explain and I am always bad at it, but this example fits well.

And maybe this is where I drop a controversial point, the concept of infancy and adolescence was disregarded and even unknown to many cultures, if we are going to demolish the nuclear family like we did with genders, why not create a dozen of different age categories, you say gender nihilism I say age nihilism

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NOISEBOB wrote

You never see "youth liberation " framed by teenage voices,

Well, in Denmark there’s this whole Børnemagt (Children’s Power) movement. Started in the 70’s by kids of hippies and squatters, in Christiania. Third generation going on now in Copenhagen, centered around Ungdomshuset.

Couldn’t find any English text about it, but here’s something in danish about it.

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NOISEBOB wrote

I accidentally made a zine from anarchistlibrary in font size 5. The essay touches on the subject of ableism, and is ironically very hard to read.

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rattledlove1139 wrote

Wishing i could grow wings
Tidying stuff because i can't

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d4rk wrote

fuck life

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Bird wrote

Had a very long very mentally taxing very tiring week.But I'll recover.

Squawk

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monday wrote

On a more serious note:

I feeling like scheiße, my vacations are over, I am back to this cold fortre$$-prison, and the inevitable "this is not working"

Hope everyone else is doing well, no suffering is forever, if you find yourself without forces I hope you get help soon, nobody deserve to suffer alone.

My way to react to conflict is disappearing and being quiet, maybe I am a bad person for this

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lentils wrote

My way to react to conflict is disappearing and being quiet, maybe I am a bad person for this

i wouldn't say so. sometimes it feels better to just not engage.

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monday wrote

In my experience it's always better to avoid conflict, but in some cases I just prefer to avoid confrontation maybe bc I am scared about the conversation about to happen.

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lentils wrote

same. i'm usually either too scared of confrontation or just don't want to bother with it as it can be pretty unpleasant.

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roanoke9 wrote (edited )

Youth liberation may suffer the same distortion as everything else in that everything is based on arbitrary legalisms and not power dynamics.

I'm a mature adult (on paper) but if a billionaire wanted to proposition me (and they disgust me on principle), would I even have the ability to refuse? They have access to both carrots and sticks that would make refusal extremely difficult if not effectively impossible, even if they never used them, the implication would be enough.

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tuesday OP wrote (edited )

I've come to the same conclusion. You make a great and succinct point about the lack of focus on power dynamics.

The difference in power between a child and an adult is really too vast for there to ever be genuine consent (which is not even getting to the trauma response that is early "maturity," the biological components of pollution and early puberty, and the enculturation of rape culture, the sexualization of children and young adults, and the differences in brain maturation and thinking/reasoning processes - all of which equally disempower children, teens, and young adults). I think this is true now, and I also think this would be true absent capitalism and the state. Ancap pedo defenders love to make arguments against age of consent laws to try to gotcha anarchists to agreeing that age of consent laws should be abolished like every other law. But just like we don't need a law to tell us that we shouldn't murder other humans, we also shouldn't need a law to tell us that we shouldn't fuck kids, because we still shouldn't even if there weren't a law against it.

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