Submitted by wompt in lobby

/r/antiwork was a mostly anarchist community posting dank antiwork memes in the Bob Black sense.

Liberals, angered by their working conditions, took to the spicy antiwork memes - and flooded the subreddit.

Liberals, now outnumbing the anarchists 10 to 1, starts minimizing the spicy memes and pushing a work-reform agenda.

/r/antiwork was a hostile takeover by sheer numbers, and it ended the space others made.

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lettuceLeafer wrote (edited )

reason why democracy is bad and you should reject it number 13274982374

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wompt OP wrote

Would it be fair to discuss what happened with /r/antiwork as some form of colonization? Net imperialism?

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wompt OP wrote

So, they moved a culture out of a space, installed their culture in its place.

It's just a fucking subreddit.

So a popular takeover of a social space, by a markedly different culture is not worth consideration?

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moonlune wrote

It's the way things are, a minority creates something that will be diluted and destroyed by the time the majority gets their hands on it. Political theory, art, music, fashion, scientifique theory it's the same for all: they have not soul once they're known by all. Best way to fight it is to gatekeep and create minorities and niches forever.

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Chairman_Meh wrote

the comparability to actual physical common areas, even those with high permeability and zero barrier to entry and zero oversight from any kind of gatekeeper/moderator is nearly non-existent, but how would a small group in a park deal with the sudden influx of thousands of people coming in and bringing their own shared or imposed values?

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wompt OP wrote

Right? How does a social forum deal with a 51% attack?

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Chairman_Meh wrote

That's the question, in physical spaces it usually takes some kind of organization and shared values of the locals and simply outlasting the influx of people until they get bored and move on, but does it do any good to want to hold/control a spot? The closest analogy I can think of to equate this or other online spaces would be squatter or houseless camps. The spot itself is 'valueless' in itself as they simply exist on it, not attempting to pull anything from it besides making use of it's natural features such as privacy, (un)desirability, (in)accessibility, and proximity to resources.

The analogy breaks down immediately though because none of those factors are relevant in an online space, and due to the nature of it's underlying technology the online space is a hierarchical structure by default, as only one person or group controls the existence of and access to the location, and has to pay others for accessibility to/from other locations, and the only way to 'keep' it is to employ those structures, and layer other ones on top of those to keep 'others' out or from overwhelming the place.

IDK. I keep trying to equate it to a real world environment but it's not. It takes resources simply to exist, and someone can come along to block or take up all those resources and knock it out of existence very easily. Everything else is basically secondary to that concern.

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Chairman_Meh wrote

Fucking with libs and trying to radicalize or twist them up is a feature. When they trigger the bot you win.

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Chairman_Meh wrote

number in the upper right goes up, means good. You get endorphins, and stave off for another few moments the realization that you're basically performing a shared masturbatory exercise and you'll never really be certain of which party is made more turgid by the exchange. You? Them? Their friend/alt who came to defend them? The audience? The admins? The advertisers?

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Chairman_Meh wrote

Yes. But then reddit and other forums like it are driven by interaction of any kind, not just meaningful or productive kind. That leads to the question of how can we structure a place like this to incentivize that kind of behavior and discussion rather than what it seemingly devolves to without it becoming a top-down authoritarian hierarchical money pump like reddit.

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lettuceLeafer wrote

there is this cool project that acomplised that. Its called raddle.me

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Chairman_Meh wrote

Wait. Holy shit you're right. I haven't seen any image macros here. Not a single Bernie meme or Lisa Simpson macro or LinkedIn screenshot. Even the trolls in here are a higher class, but I thought that was just luck. Is that all that's going to be needed to keep raddle from becoming another reddit?

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Gardon00765 wrote

seriously tho, you ever think thr reason this place is a circle jerk of like 4 peoppe is because you call everyone you dony like a troll? And on your case behind their backs because you want that good feeling of talking shit without any drama lol. For not thinking this place is praxis ya sure spend alot of times trying to point and oust people you deem a troll, for a reason nobody has given ans still won't by the way.

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Gardon00765 wrote

Strawman much? Where did I say ziq circle jerk? I come back because I wanna assume everybody is bullshitting and that this site isn't just a cult of personality but you make it hard when you strawman me with shit like that right off the bat lol. Now why am I troll

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Gardon00765 wrote

Aww sweetie you trynna strawman again? Thats sad. No shit circlejerk and cult of of personality can be synonymous. You went and started putting names in my mouth. Talking bout ziq n shit when I never even said anything about them. I aint even talked with em but like once in the past few days to start with on here. Less pretend and more trolling on your part but sure. I wanted to know if some a the "anarchists" here were just larping. You dont represent everybody tho so don't worry, your flaws and failures don't reflect badly on everybody here. Just yourself.

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Gardon00765 wrote

Yup. Just each other. Doesnt matter if its against anarchist ideals or whatever. If it's coming from one the group yall always just enable and agree with each other.

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Gardon00765 wrote

Not unbelievable at all.. that's literally my complaint lol. Doesnt matter if its anarchist or not, thats just a cover to feel good or special. All that matters is if the rest of your herd agrees so you dont have to think about it.

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Chairman_Meh wrote

Oh jeez Gard, do we have to explain the basics of friends and allies to you? Are you really this lost? Ah jeez I know the right wingers in reddit do that 'report self harming users' thing as a troll, but maybe you need it. I mean, you could have had a community! You could have learned! You could have had value! Alas, you insist on continuing to be you.

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Gardon00765 wrote

not trynna shame based on intelligence but can you read of have you had somebody reading to you this whole time? They might be fucking with you if so. Friends are cool. Enablers arent. A group that doesn't need to actually process info and just blindly agrees with the herd isnt exactly a great community. Great at walking itself off a ledge maybe but not reliable. Wierd you build up some internet board and say it could give me and I quote "I mean, you could have had a community! You could have learned! You could have had value! Alas, you insist on continuing to be you."

Seriously all things aside, this is the most pathetic shit I've read in a while. You are a random person so high on their own bullshit you think your offer of thinking I have value means shit. Its absurd a person like you has made it as far as you have without getting slapped for that mouth tbh. Guess maybe you have and just don't wanna bring it up. Can't hurt your image with the herd after all

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Chairman_Meh wrote

TBH Gard I'm not reading all that, you keep saying the same stuff and the only thing that changes is your coherence. Thanks for tightening up that spelling though, that's making it much easier for me to believe you're not having a stroke.

Whenever you want to try to come to a point let us know, eh buddy?

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Gardon00765 wrote

lil baby dodges out again. Wahh

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Chairman_Meh wrote

How much do pizza delivery drivers make, Gard?

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Gardon00765 wrote

Depends where you work. How much does a hamburger cooker make?

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Chairman_Meh wrote

Poor dodge! What's a hamburger cooker? Do you know what a short order chef is, Gard? Have you ever cooked? Can you cook? Have you got thumbs? SHOW US YOUR FUCKING THUMBS GARD!

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Gardon00765 wrote

well that didn't answe my question. Come on champ. You've been asking the whole time so it shoudlnt be hard to give me a clear answer. Let's try again. HOW MUCH DOES A HAMBURGER COOK MAKE?

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Chairman_Meh wrote

Now you're imitating me, I love it. My mastery over you is nearly complete. Still waiting on an answer for that pizza delivery driver. Call your nearby dominoes and let me know which one answers you so I can corroborate your statement. Hurry hurry!

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Chairman_Meh wrote

What kind of madlibs copypasta are you on about, Gard? Your typing style changed again, too. Did you tag in your big brother to try to salvage your shit performance? They're not doing well. You suck at this game. It is very dark. You may be eaten by a grue.

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Gardon00765 wrote

You are seriously a clown. Once more you csnt actually respond to anything said so you just default onto trying to slander as trolling passing it off. Absolutely pathetic

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Chairman_Meh wrote

Oh no Gard, does this mean we're not friends anymore? You know, if we weren't friends... I just don't think I could bear it.

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Gardon00765 wrote

Once more changing subject because you cant defend your claims

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Chairman_Meh wrote

It's a new thread, buddy! You fell out of the original. New thread equals new subject! I know, difficult keeping up with the minutia when you're being all big-brain and questioning our adherence to anarchism or whatever little bullshit you were spouting there.

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Gardon00765 wrote

You realize dodging out to a new one to avoid responding doesnt change what I've said right? I know you like playing the little smart ass but it aint really working right now. So you can go ahead n stay on topic lol

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Chairman_Meh wrote

Not dodging, right here buddy! But that's okay, I can come here too. How much do pizza delivery drivers make, Gard?

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Gardon00765 wrote

depends where you work silly. As said. Still dodging even if your ashamed.

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Chairman_Meh wrote

How much do pizza delivery drivers make where you live, Gard?

Oh, and '*you're'. Careful there buddy, you're slipping again!

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Gardon00765 wrote

As I have said to you many times. It depends where. Do you think every fucking restaurant pays the same? I feel like I'm talking to a toddler. Do you need help figuring out how to wipe your ass too?

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Chairman_Meh wrote

LOL weak dodge pick a place at random in your town and tell me, dingbat! Give me a name of a place and the wage they quoted and I'll shut up and you will have won the internet. Hurry, I'm getting bored again.

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Gardon00765 wrote

Aight just got done checking. Pizzahut near me pays 13 dollars an hour starting out.

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Chairman_Meh wrote

Good work! Which town?

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Gardon00765 wrote

Lol no thank you piggy. Wierd you try to get me to do myself when you lose an argument tho. Seems kinda petty

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Chairman_Meh wrote

Alas, Gard. I think I've run out of amusement potential with you. You jumped through all my little hoops with almost no effort and dangit, we got you right up to the edge before we had to jete back. It's okay though.

Do you have any other strange things you'd like to claim knowledge on before I block you? Guess we'll never know.

Bye!

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Gardon00765 wrote (edited )

Wow. Can I get a second opinion here? Preferably not from someone to deep in the herd. Seems wierd that even when you got shown wrong directly you still need to try and spin this as you winning. The poor baby gonna block me cuz they got shown wrong. What a fucking baby lol. Go back to the herd to suckle some more ya sad fuck

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Chairman_Meh wrote

that's true that's true, I don't want to know where you live Gard. Good call, thanks.

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Chairman_Meh wrote

Oh don't encourage Garbear, it's really not pleasant when they unravel.

"The sunsets are really pretty when you light off the tire pile, but it's really bad so please don't do it." Yo I have the torch and gasoline here already, what am I supposed to do now?!

Meanwhile okay yeah that tracks. I wasn't watching too closely but they did seem to get a big rush of "we're a revolution tee-hee" right as it was blowing up. Okay, well, as long as I don't have to futz with too many #notallcops assholes at once here I guess it'll be more like fun and less like working in a gooseshit sorting factory.

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lettuceLeafer wrote

yeah I just bad people if they say not all cops and won't shut up. So its not really a problem. I doubt any of the admins have a different response.

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Gardon00765 wrote

you could start by having conversations and not ignoring all that disgarees with you

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Fool wrote

Okay, let's try this.

Hello, how are you today?

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Chairman_Meh wrote

I always blame it on the no-barrier-to-entry for posting and the low barrier for modding. It doesn't need to be money, but there needs to me some kind of gateway that makes people put skin in the game before they're given a voice. In fact for this or similar proper leftist shitposting places money would be the opposite direction and encourage the people you don't want. Plus modding any kind of forum like that is a thankless task made harder by reddit admins who are actively sabotaging your labor when they're not handing out shiny digital baubles to anyone silly enough to pay for them.

Same thing'll happen here if we're not careful.

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