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zoom_zip wrote

is oppositional defiance disorder a real thing or was it made up by people who got mad because their kids wouldn’t do what they’re told?

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Fool wrote

That's ODD...

It's in the "Diagnostic and Statistical Manual for Mental Disorders". However,

DSM is a medical classification of disorders and as such serves as a historically determined cognitive schema imposed on clinical and scientific information to increase its comprehensibility and utility.”

In other words, it's a categorisation designed for research purposes.


Bonus:

In the 1840s, southern alienists discovered a malady called Drapetomania - the inexplicable, mad longing of a slave for freedom.

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zoom_zip wrote

the inexplicable, mad longing of a slave for freedom

inexplicable

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deeppurplehazedream wrote

Professional psychology- by and large- is nothing but trying to systematically normalize difference, to control others.

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NoPotatoes wrote

I feel like a lot of times I would quickly dismiss my mom with a "no" because I did not want to be distracted from what I was doing. It felt like my mom was imposing on my own will and choices. So the "no" was less of a response to the question being asked, and more a rejection of the notion that I wanted to be asked a question. If that makes sense...

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lettuceLeafer wrote

https://eric.ed.gov/?id=ED470718

I mostly just know its a good example of negative illnesses being common in black children while negative nuetral illnesses for bad conduct such as ADHD are more common in white kids. Often times a statement that most black children not following school rules are born to be a problematic troublemaker in need of fixing. While white children are framed as born with a defficit that isn't their fault which needs to be overcome.

My guess is that it would be true. its a little more than not listening based on the diagnosis criteria it seems to be focusing on children who have severe emotional distress from home / environment. No faith in authority due to abuse felt while most children are great rule followers and children being very angry about how life is far earlier than almost everyone.

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ghost wrote

Haha I think we posted the same article from different sources.

You said it way better than me.

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lettuceLeafer wrote

I used to be big on the thinking of the idea that there is the ideal way to say something.Now that I'm more of a hippy eww. Often times there isn't an ideal. I said it one way and u said it another now the glory of decentralizatoin is that individuals do things a ton of ways and insn't a hegemony. maybe some individuals do it in a less effective way but overall I think that is better.

having an idea explained in different ways rather than several similar ways is allways better for accessibilty and when learning its often easier to get into it with a more similar and short to the point method. So like sure maybe my point was a little more nuances but maybe like with history the more through explaination didn't get through.

So I'm allways happy to see a good point be said in many ways. now I would say that the evidence prob wouldn't back up the disorder being made for racist reasons but its a little irrelevant it mostly gets the piont acress successfully.

Id much rather a bunch of people writing and teaching to solidify and grow their oppion even if its less ideal. people not saying u are, are often scared to voice their opion bc it could be wrong but writting and talking makes the learning and growth of life go way faster.

tldr: abolish the dicotomy of saying things better, sometimes a bigginer or someones explaining something with less nuance is better than a more nuanced and acurate take based on circumstance. Decentralization is great because of the gradient of people doing life. Sometimes the less ideal method is better overall so don't be so critical but don't let that stopping yourself from growing and preventing mental stagnation

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