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libre_dev wrote

How big of an island are we talking? Small patches of land aren't expensive, especially if nothing of value can grow there. You could always steal someone else's dirt of course (now that would be an amusing sight)

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happysmash27 wrote

Less than 2/5 of an acre, probably. I'm looking to use as little as possible to be self sufficient.

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er3he4tioztwos3g wrote

As someone who is interested in micronations, this has happened before. They made their own island IIRC, and they actually got took over by the nation of Fiji, for being in their territory. I don't have a source on me at the moment, but I swear this happened.

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indi wrote

Sounds like you're thinking of "The Republic of Minerva". It was supposed to be a libertarian paradise founded by a real estate millionaire. But as recent history has shown, real estate millionaires don't exactly make competent leaders.

They brought loads of sand on barges to build up the reef and create an artificial island.

Going from memory, it was invaded by Tonga. It was a bloodless "war", though shots were fired; the American libertarians didn't really put up much a of a fight. Turns out the right to bear arms sounds lovely to libertarians only up until the point someone else exercises that right and starts shooting back at them.

Well, it was almost a bloodless war. Apparently, the Tongan "soldiers" sent to drive away the Americans were actually just conscripted convicts. While celebrating their victory and dancing on the ruins of their vanquished enemy, they got a little drunk, and a couple of them got violent, and two (?) ended up dead. They were buried on Minerva; the only people to die there.

Today, I believe the entire artificial island has completely washed away. Libertarian groups have, from time to time, attempted to reclaim the island, but none have been successful. They've learned the hard lesson of Minerva:

You don't fuck with the Tongans.

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libre_dev wrote

Why not just form a commune? Much easier. It's entirely possible to disattach oneself from the system that way. Doesn't help anyone else of course, but if near-independence is what your heart desires..

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happysmash27 wrote (edited )

How? Wouldn't one still need to pay property taxes, which requires money?

Edit: I just realised that I didn't say this already: it is for forming a commune, just on the ocean.

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er3he4tioztwos3g wrote

As someone who is interested in micronations, this has happened before. They made their own island IIRC, and they actually got took over by the nation of Fiji, for being in their territory. I don't have a source on me at the moment, but I swear this happened.