Submitted by ziq in lobby (edited )

It irks me when the whole site is seen as being 'anticiv' or 'post-left' just because it's the only anarchist forum that isn't venomously hostile to anarchist tendencies that aren't anarcho-communism (largely because I yell at everyone who comes here and tries to badjacket non-ancoms).

It weirds me out when people paint all these disparate people as a collective hivemind just because of a few vocal anti-civ / post-left users.

Years ago anticivs and post-leftists were completely outnumbered on raddle, and it's no secret that a lot, if not all of the original users left after I pushed back hard when they tried to purge non-leftist thought, but that doesn't mean the current users need to turn the place into a post-left hivemind.

Sure, most leftists won't stay in a place that doesn't put up with exhausting struggle sessions, maliciously appropriated identity politics and doesn't center them at the expense of all other schools of thought, but there are still a lot of good users here who identify as ancoms, libsocs and Marxists (even on the admin team). Don't make them feel erased or they'll soon get frustrated and leave.

edit: added to the last paragraph

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moonlune wrote

We even have our own precious ancap slumlord 😘😘😘

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lettuceLeafer wrote

I mean this is a pretty good counter argument in fairness. I say a lot of stuff on this site and I"m not exactly the poster child of anti civ post left.

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tubers wrote

We need a poll to settle this. Where's the democracy button on this thing?

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bloodrose wrote

I think this happens two-fold. First, we get bad-jacketed by people who think anti-civ is bad, then we run with it as a meme/joke and reinforce the bad-jacketing. It's good to remind ourselves that sometimes a joke can run it's course (I say after making yet another dumb voting joke....I'll see myself out).

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zoom_zip wrote

the more time goes on, the more anti-civ i become.

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kinshavo wrote

I am sor far left that I became post-left if this make sense

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idkalice wrote

sorry i'll keep that in mind

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kinshavo wrote

Don't be sorry for these savages, they only eat fresh fruit and lie (in a hammock)

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veuzi wrote (edited )

I can partially agree to this. But look at the content that gets posted here and discussions that go down. If a website's userbase like this mostly reacts positively to anticiv and post-left content, and react negatively to red anarchist content (especially red anarcho-redditor content as you can see in f/cringe and f/entryism), wouldn't it make sense to characterize the active userbase here as "mostly" anticiv and post-left, and the website by extension?

I'm sure we can do a lot more to make non-dogmatic ancoms feel welcome here, but does reputation and experience not mean anything? ni.hil.ist makes it pretty obvious that it is a Mastodon instance for and by anarcho-nihilists.

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fortifiedmischief wrote

what good does it do to announce the site as "mostly anticiv and post left" ? It doesn't change anything for the people who identify as such but it does have an effect on people who don't identify as such or even just aren't sure. If we want to keep things diverse aka interesting instead of risking becoming an echo chamber, why not avoid labeling ourselves as anything other than "against bullshit and bullies" ? It doesn't stop anyone from putting tankies on blast and calling out shit we don't like.

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veuzi wrote (edited )

I don't think this site needs to announce anything in a official capacity about the userbase's position within anarchism that hasn't been "announced" already. But for anyone who can read subtext or get a general read of a forum's culture by looking at the content, the users (me included) are doing plenty of "announcing" just by themselves. It would be easy to look at one page of content and a couple of threads with 10+ comments to conclude that this is a primarily post-left and anti-civ space. Not saying that it has to be that way.

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fortifiedmischief wrote

I think we agree on that point -- nothing needs to be announced -- just let people read the room. I think doing anything more than letting the "room" speak for itself would be to the detriment of wanting to remain welcoming to people who might have something different to say.

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