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Ishkah OP wrote (edited )

I haven't been able to record a discussion with a supporter of his, but here are the planning notes for a discussion.

I've had a pleasant conversation with Zerzan that delved into his arguments for primitivism.

I've had a mock debate with someone playing devil's advocate for primitivist positions here.

I engaged with post-left ideas here.

Other ideas I've addressed in depth are for example anti-freeganism and I've debated a liberal on my defence for anarchist direct action.

Instead you copy and paste long lists of texts that you clearly haven't read and dismiss them with the word 'purist'

I cataloged lots of highlights from essays arguing for ideologues at various levels of nicheness and highlights from their critiques. The highlighted critiques and the advertisement to do your own further reading into them were the main arguments for whether you should dismiss the arguments for the ideology or not. I acknowledged the purist pipeline was a distinct phenomenon and not a perfect defeater to all the ideologies listed.

and by telling an anecdote about the time Ted was dropped on his head as a baby or something.

Never done anything like that, you must be confusing this for me simply researching the way in which he related to his attacks on technology at the time as primarily a personal passion project.

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anarchyintheyouuuk wrote

Never done anything like that, you must be confusing this for me simply researching in what way he related to his attacks on technology as primarily a personal passion project.

You recorded an hour and a half long show where you and another person go back and forth over and over again about the time 1) Ted was briefly separated from his family as a child (routine practice to this day) 2) MK Ultra (discredited conspiracy theory invented by his defence to save him from the death penalty) and 3) his lack of success with women (as if Ted is the only person ever who struggled to form relationships in this hellscape we live in).

Of the hour and a half, you discussed his philosophy for maybe five minutes. As an aside, I remember this was the show where you said schooling for children should be standardised and compulsory.

While you're here, why have you registered the subreddits https://old.reddit.com/r/AntiCivilization/ and https://old.reddit.com/r/AntiCiv/ and posted techbro William Gillis's anti-primitivist screed there? In fact, why have you done this with nearly a hundred different subreddits?

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Ishkah OP wrote

Of the hour and a half, you discussed his philosophy for maybe five minutes.

Because that wasn't the purpose of the discussion. I tried organizing a recording delving into his ideas like that, but the guy stopped responding. If you'd like to record a voice discussion or work on a text discussion, I'd be delighted.

While you're here, why have you registered the subreddits https://old.reddit.com/r/AntiCivilization/ and https://old.reddit.com/r/AntiCiv/ and posted techbro William Gillis's anti-primitivist screed there? In fact, why have you done this with nearly a hundred different subreddits?

Because I like the critique, I like spreadsheeting lists to de-stress and I thought it might be nice to try and foster lots of small communities based on specialized political interests, so I created at least 30 pro specialized anarchist philosophy spaces, 8 anti-civ critique spaces, and 10 anti-civ ideological name variations to host redirect links:

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anarchyintheyouuuk wrote

If you'd like to record a voice discussion or work on a text discussion, I'd be delighted.

I live in New Zealand so the time difference would make this difficult if not impossible. Also I'd be very wary of discussing my ideas with you over voice given that only last week you said on here that you hoped the admins of a website you didn't like got arrested and locked up. I suspect the person you were talking to previously about recording something dropped out for the same reason.

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Ishkah OP wrote (edited )

I'm happy to stay up late to record something your morning time or whatever. Or we can just leave it as a text discussion.

If you don't mind using google just hit request editor role on this document or we can use Etherpad or some other document collaboration platform. I can't get disroot pad to run without it glitching though.

Also just a factual correction, I wrote that I had an intuitive feeling of disappointment that they didn't have enough evidence to conclusively connect anyone they arrested to a terror attack. I didn't say I was disappointed that they didn't have enough evidence to put them in prison for running a website, like I didn't mean I was disappointed they didn't have enough evidence to fraudulently connect anyone they arrested to a terror attack.

I felt that intuitive disappointment because I would like info on bus stop bombers to become publicly available so that they can be challenged by anarchists, just like I'm happy any time a fascist gets doxxed.

I understand the opposition to the consequentialist hypothetical I wrote after that though and I am sympathetic to it.

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