Submitted by annikastheory in lobby (edited )

Just wanted to put this out there because its nice to talk with like minded folks sometimes, since literally everyone I know except my wife thinks this is horrible apparently. Every time I tell people I refuse to delude my kid into believing Santa Claus they give me weird looks and tell me how sad it is, and that I have taken away "the magic of Christmas". I feel like this is the least controversial thing I believe. I don't understand why everyone is just super chill with lying to their kids. Its fucking weird.

It really ties into how people treat children. Children aren't seen as their own people but as clay to be molded. It isn't really about the child and what they are missing out on. Really its about how parents think children ought to be and their efforts to mold their kid into their ideal.

Edit: Also I am slightly convinced that Santa Claus is also a ploy to raise kids to be chill about living in a police state.

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ziq wrote

i've gotten into so much trouble for not lying to kids

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ziq wrote (edited )

Most recently for telling my nephew that death is something that exists and all people experience it at some point.

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annikastheory OP wrote

My kid's pretty little so I haven't really had that conversation yet.The other day she saw a dead snake and she said kind of sadly, "the snake is dead" and I said, "Yeah?" and she said, "Don't worry it just needs to be charged." I guess usually when I talk about something dying it is in context of electronics. It was simultaneously cute and sad.

But yes I am not sure why people shield children so much from death. I understand not traumatizing them, I wouldn't bring them to a morgue for example, but they have the right to know that death happens.

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bloodrose wrote

Oh my god, had a similar conversation with mine years ago where I had to explain dead in regards to electronics is different than organic beings. hahaha

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NOISEBOB wrote

Also I am slightly convinced that Santa Claus is also a ploy to raise kids to be chill about living in a police state.

...and grow accustomed to the idea of slave labour being okay.

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SnowCode wrote

Edit: Also I am slightly convinced that Santa Claus is also a ploy to raise kids to be chill about living in a police state.

Can you elaborate this? For the rest of your post, I agree.

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annikastheory OP wrote (edited )

He's making a list and checking it twice

He's gonna find out who's naughty and nice

Santa Claus is comin' to town

He sees you when you're sleepin'

He knows when you're awake

He knows if you've been bad or good

So be good for goodness sake

You better watch out, you better not cry

You better not pout, I'm telling you why

Santa Claus is comin' to town

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annikastheory OP wrote

I kind of need a cartoon where Santa Claus institutes a communist dictatorship. And some elves and children form an underground resistance.

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ziq wrote

Fucking fascist yo

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annikastheory OP wrote (edited )

lol more like Red fascist.

Edit: because he is wearing red. hehe

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ziq wrote

probably those elf slaves he has making toys all year round in his sweatshop

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annikastheory OP wrote

Yes also elf on the shelf. Literally a spy elf to watch you and report to Santa Claus.

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moonlune wrote

Agreed lying to your kids is weird.

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bloodrose wrote

I literally never told my kid Santa was real. She decided he was. I never agreed with her that he was. She just thinks the shit I buy comes from Santa. I'm looking forward to her getting all bent out of shape at me later when she figures out he's not real because I never ONCE said he was real.

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moonlune wrote

to be fair, a magical man in the sky is more believable than the fact that all the adults around the world are conspiring against children and lying to them for the sole reason that they find it cute.

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bloodrose wrote

Or um, to manipulate their kids into behaving. My kid starting saying shit like she wouldn't get presents if she was bad because of Santa. We have been wishy-washy about not saying Santa doesn't exist while also not saying he does because she liked the magic man bullshit. But we were very fucking clear that Christmas is not a yearly fucking review.

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annikastheory OP wrote

I am picturing little kids in suits going to meet with Santa the middle manager for their annual review. This iteration of Santa having a comb over and a white and red striped tie.

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friendly_raddler wrote (edited )

so much talk about the war of christmas, but no talk about the war on halloween. literally news will come out and scaremonger with the razor in apple stories, people start putting up christmas decorations on 12am november 1st. typical privileged rightists complaining of being the besieged victims while stepping on others. soon the whole year will be christmas while their perceived level of threat keeps rising to a pinnacle of paranoia. ROBOTCLAUS will be built, controlled by the big quantum computer in the north and south poles. drones will deliver gifts, and LEAD to the naughty list. the planet will be in a state of complete deforestation, only the slim strip of template region left will be used to grow the monocrop of christmas tree for the elite on the top of the good list. the world will live in an ongoing naughty list holocaust...............

Edit: i know i had see this trope somewhere, eventually remembered https://futurama.fandom.com/wiki/Robot_Santa_Claus

bet there's also tons others i haven't heard of https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BadSanta

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lettuceLeafer wrote

Helping Santa cheat in Mrs. Clause? based. Glad to see the pro cheating discourse come back.

Lol

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CaptainACAB wrote

Santa Claus < St. Nick, patron saint of unrepentant thieves

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MHC wrote

So much jingle bells in a shopping mall.

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