Submitted by SnowCode in lobby

I am young but I really don't know what I want to do. I don't want to work, I would want to do the stuff I like to do and I am sick of all the stuff about money and jobs.

I would like to gain more autonomy and need as little money as possible but I feel completely lost and powerless.

I wish I had energy, was able to be social, stop taking everything personally, etc. I feel extremely weak.

I don't know what I'm expecting when writing this on this site but please be nice. If anyone felt similar things or have tips, please share, I am very interested.

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Tecate_Coyote wrote

I lived in my car for a few months last year. It was cold and you have to figure out how to hide in plain sight but I read a bunch of books and now that I have an apartment I miss it. I was in a large city at the time too, so I saved a ton on rent.

I relate a lot to you. I will work a lot in sporadic pulses but then I usually quit after my boss is mean to me and coast off of my savings. I have a lot less money than I'd like because of it, and a lot of credit card debt, but it is what it is. I don't have a solution for you.

Have you read Siddhartha? It's a short book and while it doesn't so much as guide you on what to do, it refreshes your mind that you can do whatever you want.

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flingwingin wrote

you're undomesticated

respect

(good luck figuring out how to make your financial situation work better also, i'm in the same boat)

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SnowCode OP wrote

No what is Siddhartha?

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Tecate_Coyote wrote

Siddhartha is originally a german poem written by Herman Hesse and based on the early life of the Buddha. It is easy to read and the grammatical structures have a flow to them that present an image without getting so wordy you're lost in it. I run into a lot of texts like that when I'm trying to read theory or spirituality.

But as far as what Siddhartha is about- it is a story of a human. The main character, Siddhartha, is easy to relate to and the story follows him from a young boy to an old man. Siddhartha is believably written and isn't a Mary Sue. He makes mistakes, learns, and refines his goals in life.

I love the book. If you're feeling lost in an uncaring society and disconnected from the real world as I was, and still do often feel, this book momentarily feels like an inspiring map that can lead to a new perspective on life.

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Vulgar_Soda wrote

I feel you. Work is a slow, caged death.

Have you considered drugs, sex and games? Fun times can't fix what ails you, but can certainly dull the pain.

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metocin wrote

Honestly this is terrible advice. Don't spend your time escaping life when you could learn to love or at least appreciate it, especially when you don't already have an unhealthy dependence on one of those 3 things.

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Vulgar_Soda wrote

Okay.

I still feel you, SnowCode. Work is a fuck. but have you considered appreciating life? You are living it, after all. Do not do the drugs, for that is escaping (to where?). Do not even drink the caffeine. Do drink the appreciationaid. and biological needs? Nah. Appreciate, not reproduciate (although, I guess you could technically reproduce without sex). The point: no sex. No physical human connection. Only appreciation. Only appreciation. Only fucking gratitude for this miserable life. Oh, and you know that thing even ants do, that all humans continue to do throughout their life? Playing games doesn't jibe with playing your ... well, you get it.

^-^;;; there I fixed it for you, metocin. I was just suggesting Snowcode drink tea, have friends, and enjoy healthy recreational activities. Don't be mad pls. Only friends on raddle. Weeeeeeee °~°

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metocin wrote

sarcasm isn't a good look for you, friend

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Vulgar_Soda wrote

😒

I don't know why people got so bent outta shape from me suggesting shit most people do. Like, I never suggested that SnowCode dovetail into oblivion through addiction, nor did I insinuate harmful forms of cope.

I've been having a pretty hard time lately. Unresolved medical issues. Mounting debt. Typical land of freedom stuff. I ate an edible and wandered around a wetland area for a couple hours the other day. Stared at tadpoles, contemplating our shared fleeting existence. Felt fantastic. Was I doing it wrong? I drink green tea almost every day. Is that an unhealthy dependency? Am I to judge entire swaths of humans as vile creatures for ingesting caffeine, a drug so normalized and readily available that I am certain everyone in this thread has tried at least once. I love lukewarm leaf water. Sorry.

Occasional fucking is not the same as depending on a fuck to get through life. and even if the thought of fucking a hot date was the only thing that got me through a work day? Who cares?! I appreciate life through fucking, through sugary cookies and coffee, through pointless video games and bad movies, through strolls in whatever passes for nature on this dying planet. I don't advocate for escape, I advocate for enjoying the moment, in any way you can. How is any of that unhealthy?

I appreciate you, metocin, and your apparent need to jump the gun. Want some more terrible advice? That thing you do where you read into things that aren't there and then put words in my mouth? Maybe don't do that.

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metocin wrote

I read your comment the same way that a lot of other people read it, clearly. Sometimes what you want to convey in a message is not what is interpreted by the reader. You commented on a post of someone in distress by asking if they have tried things that many people are dependent on and use for escapism. I didn't put words in your mouth and didn't need to, I think most people would read that in a negative way without reading your responses to me where you elaborated your thoughts.

Your original comment was overly simplified and easily read as suggesting things that can become a dependency for people with mental health struggles. Maybe try to give a more nuanced take that doesn't leave room for misinterpretation if you are going to get bent out of shape when people misinterpret it.

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Vulgar_Soda wrote

I read your comment the same way that a lot of other people read it, clearly.

You're right. I was being a hothead. Sorry.

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moonlune wrote

have you considered van dwelling?

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SnowCode OP wrote

I don't know what to consider honestly. I've considered living in a tiny house or a shed as well. But I feel powerless to do anything and I don't know why.

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lettuceLeafer wrote

Mood, I've been making some good progress on solving those same probs in my life. I would be happy to talk thru with u possibilities. For these kind of things saying what to do isn't super helpful. It will be based a lot on individual circumstances, abilities you have and position u r in.

Plus things I'm okay with doing are often times thins the average raddle user wouldn't want to do.

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SnowCode OP wrote

Plus things I'm okay with doing are often times thins the average raddle user wouldn't want to do.

Can you elaborate?

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lettuceLeafer wrote

Quite a few things mostly economic. Stock ownership, trying to make quite a bit of money to hoard so I can have an effective economic base for doing anarchy from, property ownership, open to buying foreclosures and running for profit business. Few other things but those r the big ones.

Im not a particularly big fan of the first two and quite appalled by the first one but it's a worthwhile to do regardless.

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lettuceLeafer wrote

I would say most investing is far worse than just funding colonial projects. Becoming a shareholder of companies you become one of the many owners who orders the CEO to make the most profit regardless of what u do. Let's say investing in exon you are one of the many people who are the direct cause of the Iraq war due to you sending the order to make money no matter what. Exon CEO follows that order to get a fat bonus and decides to send lobbyists to drum up a war so exon can pump more oil.

Investing is being the cause of aom of the most horrible shit in the world like imperialism, sweat shops, war, climate change ect. With the minimization of causing such immense suffering due to diffusement of responsibility and so many other owners and only owning a small chunk.

I mostly invest in index funds of top US companies. I.e. betting that the US empire will continue to persist and will prop up massive companies. A very reliable and profitable bet yet a bet which is a small cause of the most horrific things in the world.

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lettuceLeafer wrote

I find investing to be a incredibly interesting in deciding what they best move would be from an anarchist perspective. I could see people going either way. Love to hear what ur thoughts r when it's more fleshed out

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lettuceLeafer wrote

Do not become a farmhand

DO NOT

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flingwingin wrote

I wish I had energy, was able to be social, stop taking everything personally, etc. I feel extremely weak.

YOU NEED TO REGAIN CONTROL OF YOUR SOUL

First off, realize that energy comes from motivation to act, not just meaning "willpower" but also biochemically, you get pumped for something or motivated, this is cortisol and adrenaline and dopamine etc. So you have to deal with your philosophical problems first, before the "practical" ones. (if you need to work to survive though, obviously it'll suck but i suggest you do it as surviving is pretty fun once you work things out)

Second, to be social you have to stop caring about people. The more you care and regard them, the more they weigh on you. But this is a VERY HARD thing since one piece isn't so obvious - you need to also develop a solid and correct ontology (not based on regressing into enforcing a particular identity, but having some identity to call your own - I'm not mincing words here either, there is no middle ground to find here, the only way out of the bind is forward) in order to pull apart what is you from what is other people. But some advice - people are all cute and nasty little gremlins. You and everyone else. If you can consistently recall this, you at least won't be hurt so much.

I'm on the same journey as you though, maybe a little farther along so far if you're a neet, but shit's hard.... everyone wants what you want, and all respectable citizens, organizations, government, businesses, etc. want you to NOT have autonomy. So good luck, if I find a secret money tree I'll message you. The only thing to do now is whatever you need to do, and then begin on advancing the science of how to live without work. What i can say also is that dumpster diving does not work as well as it once did, now everything is trash compactors and locked shit. Be ready to face an uphill battle --

The social system's way of existing is to funnel people from birth into it's workplaces to fuel it's body and flows of energy. So if you want to resist this, you have no other choice but to be an enemy of society, and find some way to exist contrary to the megamachine. I'm not saying it's either work or illegalism, but it's either submit to the logic of society and lose your autonomy in order to serve as a nerve cell (if you're lucky) of Leviathan, or somehow derive your sustenance and value out of your surroundings... which all happen to already be owned, regulated, etc.

(also read Gooseberries by Chekhov (it's a short story), it's so good on this point - i know so many people who want a way out of work but end up putting themselves in the trap of working within the system to get out, and it's an old and dirty trick that has been happening for centuries. Don't fall for it.)

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lettuceLeafer wrote

I partially support, some advice is good while other is bad and some is alright with a bit weird connotation. Though I think OP taking some of this comment to heart is a gud idea

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flingwingin wrote

i partially thank you, and maybe with some weird connotation, etc. ;)

what parts do you like and disagree with?

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nulloperation wrote

I disagree with this:

Second, to be social you have to stop caring about people.

Seems like terrible advice.

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hunger wrote

when you care so much about people in general, you're making yourself constantly vulnerable to all of their remarks, their glances, their emotional state, etc. The most pro-social people i see are the rich.... and they keep themselves segregated from and mentally block out anyone doing poorly, and most people dont have the guts to tell them how fucked they are to their face. They're insulated. But for most people, you have to deal with fucked people being shitbags, and with normal people being so distant to you, and innumerable pains. If you stop caring for people as a whole, and look at people as fundamentally flawed, then you can really see them for what they are.

People dont exist to themselves how they exist to us. We should recognize and accept this. Behind their clothes, their face, and their eyes, there might be nothing going on, pure observation, or a single thought, etc. They have a personal mythos but theyre tired of it like you're probably tired of your social masks too. What you believe they believe about themselves is probably wrong. We should see people for what they are, by not seeing people anymore but animals, lonely, treated like work horses or show dogs, who can communicate and all have to construct themselves as a "person" in communication with others. If we see people for what they are, we can love individuals all the more.

The most misanthropic people i know are survivors of huge abuse. They were forced to care very very much about other people, because their life depended on it. Fuck people, they're shit, and i accept that every one of us, myself and my friends (who i love) too are shit and crazy and fucked up and really just animals behind it all. When you can see the flaws, you can judge on their own how you want to care. Most of the time the flaws dont matter to you so you can be like "that person is trouble so i should stay away", etc., and you can even love someone for all their flaws too.

When we care about people so much we have to put them in categories of good or bad, or "the neutral masses" maybe but we can't help but place them somewhere in our mind. When we regard people as insignificant, fucked up, etc. by default, we have no obligation to pay them any more heed than thinking about navigating them in the present, and we can have much more honest views of people that gives room for more compassion/forgiveness and also more room for understanding the flaws of those closest to us and ourselves.

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flingwingin wrote

btw these people tell you to get a van or tinyhouse, but wtf to do after? Still work? Blog? Do graphic design? Don't listen to these millenials, this shit is just hipster dreams but the same trap.

Gooseberries

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SnowCode OP wrote

The point of that is to require less money than traditional lifestyles, that way I think it could make stuff easier. Of course I'll still have to work but I think the pressure and stress will be lesser.

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libertyvain wrote

Start a juice stand selling pine tea.

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nimbus_strange wrote

Have you thought about doing something like a field hand? I don't believe that is the right wording but it is a job where you live on someone's land, help them with chores, and you get room, board and some people pay depending on how many hours you put in.

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Erinna_Io wrote

That is basically serfdom where you work for landowner and have nothing for yourself. Often that is also the most hardest work there is. People working in farms are constantly abused and used as nothing more than slaves.

Doing some boring, 9-5 office job is far more easier and pays more.

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