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lettuceLeafer wrote

Reply to comment by OdiousOutlaw in Friday Free Talk by kin

Yeah I totally believe you, there are plenty of internet weirdos. But like how does libertarian philosophy promote slavery when slavery is brought up I almost exclusively here how it's a violation of humans inherent right to their own body as their own property. Or something like that.

Question who has more autonomy in this scenario. A set of twins are going to be hatecrimed everything is the same except one twin is able to defend themselves and kill their would be assailant. The other twin beloved that learning how to fuck people over is a useless skill and died. Who has more autonomy the alive person or the dead person?

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OdiousOutlaw wrote (edited )

But like how does libertarian philosophy promote slavery when slavery is brought up I almost exclusively here how it's a violation of humans inherent right to their own body as their own property.

By its nature of being a contradictory philosophy that is so compatible with the dominant ideology of neoliberalism, that the traits of both are almost indistinguishable from each other. How does a secular humanist society still allow for war and slavery? Because putting a set of ideas of how to best run a society into practice inevitably gives way to contradictions and compromises in the name of pragmatism; ask any kind of tankie, they can rage about the plight of workers all they like, but encourage any anti-worker policy enacted by their favored socialist state; assuming they give any credit to the notion at all.

Question who has more autonomy in this scenario. A set of twins are going to be hatecrimed everything is the same except one twin is able to defend themselves and kill their would be assailant. The other twin beloved that learning how to fuck people over is a useless skill and died. Who has more autonomy the alive person or the dead person?

Self defense isn't fucking people over. Framing someone who was willing to kill a person in a hate-crime and failed as a victim is weird as fuck; the only people who do that are sympathizers to that person's cause.

To actually answer your question, the one that is alive has more autonomy, obviously. In that hyper specific scenario where literally everything about these two people is the exact same save for that one thing, you've managed to prove that a person living in such a dystopian society that hate crimes are an occurrence that happen so often and to such severity that two people who are exactly the same just so happen to have the same exact thing happen to them and the only saving grace for one of them was that they managed to kill their attacker...because they decided that screwing people over is good...somehow. Yes; the person still living in a society where they are in constant danger of being murdered for who they are is freer than their exact duplicate's corpse. Slaves also have more autonomy than corpses. Zoo animals have more autonomy than a turkey sandwich.

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lettuceLeafer wrote

I see you weapons protecting minorities to attack your opponent rather than defending minorities to actually care about minorities. Guess throwing your values under the buss is worth more than critiquing people with wrong opinions correctly rather than strawmen. Jesus

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OdiousOutlaw wrote

I see you weapons protecting minorities to attack your opponent rather than defending minorities to actually care about minorities.

I'm openly several minorities; don't try that vapid garbage.

Guess throwing your values under the buss is worth more than critiquing people with wrong opinions correctly rather than strawmen.

What values am I throwing away by telling you your proposed scenario is too narrow to apply in any useful way? "Critiquing people correctly", oh my fucking god; is there some sort of standardized process I have to go through in order to argue with someone? Is there some sort procedure I'm supposed to follow? What council decides this and how European are they?

Jesus

Cultural Christianity is played out.

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Garbear104 wrote

Holy heck your a clown aint ya?

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lettuceLeafer wrote

Nah people on this site are just dorks who live lib takes.

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ILLA_Europe wrote

Sadly I'm coming to the same conclusion after seeing antivaccers here. Is there a better site we can use with actual leftists?

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zoom_zip wrote

Question who has more autonomy in this scenario. A set of twins are going to be hatecrimed everything is the same except one twin is able to defend themselves and kill their would be assailant. The other twin beloved that learning how to fuck people over is a useless skill and died. Who has more autonomy the alive person or the dead person?

this doesn’t make sense because the person trying to hatecrime is the one fucking people over, and both twins have a right to self defence which is the original point i was making. the hatecrimer’s autonomy ends when they decide to fuck a person over, so both twins can defend themselves.

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