Submitted by ziq in lobby

maybe i just shouldn't say anything here, seems like everything i say pisses someone off and instead of engaging me, they go to reddit to warn people to... stay on reddit

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zoom_zip moderator wrote

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weirdo reddit obsessives. please stop lumping us all in with the “cult of ziq”. some of us are just here because your opinions are shit.

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zoom_zip wrote (edited )

also what is it with reddit users and thinking one user represents the all encompassing monolithic thought canon of the community. give us our credit too, you fucks. it’s weird how much space you let ziq take up in your head

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ziq OP wrote

that's just the collectivist mentality in action. imagine if they actually got to 'build a society' like they dream of. no doubt in my mind it would all completely revolve around some modern anarcho-idol like that mahkno guy they all get wet for or ocalan more recently. they want to be ruled. they want to follow and obey a strong, charismatic, self-confident shitlord and have all their decisions dictated to them, so they don't have to think for themselves

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zoom_zip wrote

“i was really excited about raddle but then one user said something that didn’t 100% align with my own views so now the whole community needs to be thrown in the trash.”

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ziq OP wrote

values the lives of disabled people

w/friendship

There's really no fail-proof program for human association, which is why it's so important for each able individual to be aware of their own boundaries and be ready to enforce them. [...]

This all of course assumes you're adept at socialization, which admittedly a lot of us aren't, due to a diverse array of disabilities and emotional traumas, but that's just more proof that no one can or should prescribe exact instruction to people for creating social relations amongst themselves. Every relationship is different, and the only real prerequisite should be a desire to share experiences and support and nurture each other.

if ur gonna attack me, call me a cruel edgy anal retentive primmie truck driving reductive asshole, but don't make shit up. nothing i hate more than 'anarchists' who feel the need to invent shit about other anarchists to demonize them

fucking coward

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ziq OP wrote

just for downvoting me, i'm changing the anarchist canon tonight to force everyone on team red to eat nothing but cauliflower

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RadicalConstructivist wrote

I'm not on "team red". I downvoted because who honestly gives a shit about what some random irrelevant person on reddit said? I just think coming here to complain about people like this all the time just comes across as a little sad.

Also, why do you immediately assume anyone who isn't on board with the circlejerk is with "the other"? Don't you think that's a little ironic for someone who's always dunking on "collectivists"?

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ziq OP wrote

who honestly gives a shit about what some random irrelevant person on reddit said?

i do, isn't that obvious or are you new? i have a strong ego and it especially doesn't like when people make shit up about me. i speak up when someone smears me or anyone i care about because that's who i am and it's not going to change

Also, why do you immediately assume anyone who isn't on board with the circlejerk is with "the other"?

if you're downvoting me for being upset about something then you're obviously not on my side

not that i think anyone here is actually on my side and won't turn on me at the drop of a hat when i say something that threatens their ego

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lettuceLeafer wrote (edited )

not that i think anyone here is actually on my side and won't turn on me at the drop of a hat when i say something that threatens their ego

I think this is fundamentally untrue. Most times I talk to you on raddle or see your comments and posts I most often go "what a dork with a take I find very silly". Despite this I still have a large amount of respect for u as a person. U have created a online community that has fundamentally changed my life for the better and I have nothing but lots of respect for u.

This has never changed no matter how many ding dong things u say or most of our recent actions being conflicting and generally unhelpful. U do something similar to threaten my ego often and despite that I respect u far more than the vast majority of people on this planet. I think it would be quite challenging for u to do something to make me loose respect for u.

And besides the bad takes u say doesnt take away from the far minority of the times when I find what u say very useful.

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ziq OP wrote

Passive aggro bullshit

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lettuceLeafer wrote

Wait what? I was being 100 percent sincere. I'd be happy to help clarify my opinion since it seems I wrote it in a way that I conveyed it's meaning completely wrong.

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mofongo wrote

I found it pretty nice and heartfelt. They did a good job explaining their complex feelings towards you. I suggest you read it again.

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bloodrose wrote (edited )

not that i think anyone here is actually on my side and won't turn on me at the drop of a hat when i say something that threatens their ego

But isn't that the point of evolving friendships? Kind of "I'm on your side as long as you are on mine"? And if and when that changes, the decision to remain friends changes as well?

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mofongo wrote

And isn't the point of a great friendship call each other bullshit and ego to mutually improve for the better?

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bloodrose wrote

Absolutely! Some of my best growth has come from friends telling me off. :D

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inthedustofthisplanet wrote

Can I make buffalo cauliflower wings? >:)

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ziq OP wrote

no you're not on team red, all the cauliflower crops are now reserved for them

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inthedustofthisplanet wrote (edited )

I'll steal eat their crops then.

“Whoever will be free must make herself free. Freedom is no fairy gift to fall into a woman's lap. What is freedom? To make buffalo cauliflower wings for herself.” -Maxine Stoner

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tabby wrote

Hasn't the term "black anarchy" been used that way for a while now?

Also, I don't understand why supposed anarchists seem to think that the only way disabled or sick people will be cared for is by social programs and why they don't think critically about who/what would administer said programs (hint: it's a state).

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ziq OP wrote

most of these reddit anarchists are milquetoast social democrats who get really really really pissy when they spend some time around anarchists and realize anarchists aren't social democrats

them not knowing the difference between a black flag and a red flag just shows how clueless they are about anarchy - which is the source of their anger. they see me talking about no justified authority, civilization bad, fuck democracy and they throw years long tantrums because it so conflicts with their social democracy

here's a good comment i saw yesterday that explains how these literal liberals have hijacked 'anarcho-communism' while having absolutely no clue what that entails

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ziq OP wrote (edited )

malatesta was an anarchist and a communist. modern ancoms aren't either

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Kinshavo wrote

Black anarchism is used for African diaspora Anarchists too to entail a less eurocentric Anarchy.

But I totally agree with the whole "Black Flag" anarchism, everytime we need to run to recuperate anarchism from bastardization, leftism, Marxism and now liberals. Syntethism and "without adjectives" is all about that, we don't need anysuffix to Anarchy, we just need raw Anarchy, the flavour is up to the anarchist in his personal sphere.

and English language sux.

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mofongo wrote

I also find it infantilizing that abled people should have a 'solution' for the disabled, like we don't have a say on that. Like all post-civ and anti-civ position is anti-disabled (and anti-trans) while ignoring what they have to say in the matter.

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existential1 wrote

Lmao. Why we gotta do this every few weeks?

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RadicalConstructivist wrote

who cares

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ziq OP wrote (edited )

trying to shame me for posting what i want to post is only going to make me not want to post here at all

if you don't like my posts, just block me

nothing kills activity faster than content policing

especially when that content generates the majority of activity on the site

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bloodrose wrote

especially when that content generates the majority of activity on the site

Legit. I seriously do not want to read /r/anarchism. That you do this and post the things you find disturbing or interesting on raddle for me and the others here to read and discuss is super appreciated, at least by me.

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Kinshavo wrote (edited )

Don't bother the guy is a Platformist. They're are the guys who read Lenin and think it's all about anarchism.

I'm not going to fucking read desert !. Because reject nihilism and I embrace realistic optimism. It may take decades and generations but we will fix the mess we have created and we will make peace with mother earth.

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ziq OP wrote

platformists aren't real, those are just fairy tales people tell their kids to give them lifelong trauma

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Tequila_Wolf wrote

I wish this was true :'(

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existential1 wrote

We had some pop into a group i was in. They had shit security culture so we found their organizing docs. They were kshama sawant stans.

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black_fox wrote

kshama sawant stans

lol i didn’t think she elicited these kinds of feelings in anyone

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existential1 wrote

Some socialists really like politicians. Makes em think they can vote their way into the revolution.

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Kinshavo wrote

Just digressing now, but if they understand nihilism and realistic optimism as diagonal opposites, they are missing the whole point of why nihilism is "useful" (struggling to find a better word).

For me, nihilism is a rejection of every certainty, and every doubt at the same time. A rejection to the core, and doing so one can recover a certain freedom. I don't approach nihilism as an arid and lifeless place, but to the contrary a space where we can create and grow.

So maybe we can manage to have a nihilism compatible with realistic optimism, but at the end those are just ideologies, someone's Inner mind&desires . I think the person who did this comment was dissatisfied with Raddle for not feeding his previous beliefs

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Tequila_Wolf wrote

Fuck this person, but also, yeah I don't say "black anarchist" because of its other use.

I'd sooner go with "pure" or "pure black" but am holding out for something better. Ideally we'd just say anarchist and all the adjective or hyphen types are all just failed approximations of the real thing.

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BadEmpanada wrote

I didn't even claim to be an Anarchist and I still feel welcome here. Obviously the site admin is going to have their own perspectives/opinions but that doesn't make Raddle a bad platform.

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