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groovygardener42069 OP wrote

Also real shit: does anyone who knows more than me know why the kava/kratom scene has so many open fascists?

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Fool wrote (edited )

My problem solving:

  1. Kava is from Pacific islands so unless that place is run by islanders, they're probably don't mind profiting from colonisation.

  2. 'Awa is the Hawaiian name for it, so you'd think that would be the name in America, but it has probably come via another English speaking culture (American Samoa is another possibility, or Guam... I don't know much about Guam).

  3. Australia and New Zealand have much higher Pacifika population than other English speaking countries.

  4. Hollywood Vegan's / Wellness is heavily linked to sections of Australian Vegan community which are openly spouting pro-fascism talking points.

My guess, kava bars in the US are being backed by "Australian Nasi Hippies" via "Hollywood Elites"

Now I feel like I just started a conspiracy theory.

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groovygardener42069 OP wrote

That's an interesting take. I thought it was a little less centralized and more about the fact that the kava/kratom scene has a lot of overlap with the addiction recovery scene, and fascists are known to recruit in places with broken-down young people

But I also have a little bit of insight into the natural foods/vegan/hippie fascist wing of society as well and ... that kinda tracks with what I know?

I mean there has to be a supply chain for this shit. People with money know other people with money who know expats (in my experience, often fascist or fascist-adjacent) in areas where they grow the stuff.

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Fool wrote

Actually one more bit I'd add is that some highly religious (Christian) Pacifica talk up the usual fascist-adjacent talking points around trans and homosexuality.

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groovygardener42069 OP wrote

Ngl, you lost me there. What do you mean by Pacifica? I get the context but want to make sure I understand

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Fool wrote (edited )

Pacifika is a term used for Pacific Islanders, started by some Pacific Islanders. I guess since it's shorter to write.

Edit: I was spelling it wrong. It should be Pacifika.

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groovygardener42069 OP wrote

Oh, gotcha. I wasn't familiar with the term lol, with the context of highly religious/christian, I assumed you meant like, weirdo compound hippies in California

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Exlurker wrote

It's just a name for people native to the Pacific islands other then Australia and New Zealand, hear it all the time in NZ.

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