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Grace OP wrote

China is not perfect, like the USSR was not. Perfection is not required for a socialist society. You do know you can support a socialist country if theyre not a perfect anarcho-communist fantasy, right? Idealism should be laughed at, not taken seriously. I don't see any anarchist states (communes? regions? whatever) doing better on the incredible scale China is.

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_caspar_ wrote

Idealism should be laughed at, not taken seriously.

indeed, which is why the concept of the people should be laughed out the room.

anarchism is opposed to such projects, why would it want to do them better? and what is better? china certainly is doing much on an incredible scale, but none which looks desirable, especially for anyone working there.

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Grace OP wrote

China is doing a great job, and their labor laws are improving every day. Their persecution of the elite is more and more rigorous. Their pure survival is an amazing feat, thanks to Deng and MZT. Anarchism has no real way to counter the elite. Revolution is in itself authoritarian.

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_caspar_ wrote (edited )

I guess youve taken the "if you cant beat em, join em approach," however I would argue that those whom you see as beneficiaries of this project are just as miserable as any wielding power anywhere else in the world: living alienating, mechanistic lives, marching to the tune of leviathan toward control and ecocide.

"Revolution is in itself authoritarian."

in a bizarrely different way, I agree with you there.

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