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keez wrote

Sorry but why would people emigrate away from raddle?

They've already set up shop here, why move?

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suma wrote

So the tankies can control us and make sure we don't dissent against the great moustache.

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ziq wrote

Hi, will there be left unity?

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Chapochat OP wrote

Yes, absolutely. We welcome comrades of all creeds.

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ziq wrote

that's good news! Can't wait to make an account and start shitting on Stalin, Kim and Xi :))

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Kinshavo wrote

I trully believed once that Chapo TrapHouse were a Latinx Narco HipHop mixtape, soo disapointed when I found the truth. But I like podcasts though, nott my thing but I like It.

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Chapochat OP wrote

It's okay if you don't listen to the podcast comrade, a lot of us don't.

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suma wrote

nothing says left unity like a great big hammer and sickle lmao

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ziq wrote

It symbolises the ban hammer that will fall down on every non-tankie once the mods get sick of people tarnishing their great men. I plant to expedite the process by filling the place with anarchy.

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suma wrote

And they've gone ahead and pinkwashed it ahead of time to make sure no one brings up the USSR's homophobia. Making the USSR's symbol pink washes away those decades of gulaging gay people.

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Amorphous wrote

Do you guys not want communism? I don't understand how you'd have an issue with the hammer and sickle.

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train wrote

I think Raddle has developed a largely anarchist community so not everyone approves of symbols associated with states or authoritarianism.

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Amorphous wrote (edited )

Yeah, obviously, but I don't understand why you'd needlessly associate the hammer and sickle with "authoritarianism." It's a symbol of the working class, and of communism. Again, do you not want communism? I'd hope most people here regardless of what label they call themselves are in favor of communism.

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lempamo wrote

i'd wager most here associate the hammer & sickle with the soviet union, lenin, stalin, etc.

not communism, but an authoritarian state capitalist society which the people here (myself included) want nothing to do with

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Amorphous wrote

Why?

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ziq wrote

Because that's literally what it is. It was commissioned by Lenin to be the official symbol of the USSR. You can't disassociate a symbol from its entire reason for being.

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Amorphous wrote

Sure, but as you'll find if you visit the US and call yourself a libertarian, things change a bit. The hammer and sickle has been used by marxists and by anarchists for longer than you or I have been alive.

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ziq wrote (edited )

If you call yourself a libertarian in the US, everyone will assume you're a capitalist.

No anarchists I know uses the hammer and sickle, and whenever someone does it's because they're baby ancoms who are ignorant of its history. Just a few months after Lenin chose the hammer and sickle to represent the Soviets (altering the original design to remove the sword from it because he felt it gave off violent vibes), he sent in his army to murder the anarchist Black Guard and cement his counter-revolution. After Emma Goldman arrived and witnessed the ongoing slaughter of anarchists and other socialists, she wrote "there's no communism in Russia" and from that point on, anarchists have had no love for the hammer and sickle.

edit:

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/emma-goldman-my-disillusionment-in-russia

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NOISEBOB wrote

Doesn't change the fact that it is a symbol of authoritarian state capitalist society...

the DPRK version with the brush is better anyway

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Amorphous wrote

I'll grant you that the DPRK's take on it is pretty sick. There's something to be said for the simplicity of the original though

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Pop wrote

When's the last time a sickle had any relevance in your daily life

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ziq wrote

I have 3 of them.

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Pop wrote

are they at least different sizes

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ziq wrote

yes, each one has a different use. different size and blade

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Pop wrote

various different sizes and densities of authoritarian neck

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RanDomino wrote

Excuse me, sir or madam, but I happen to be a medieval farmer.

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Pop wrote (edited )

I'm not a sir or a madam

it's in my bio

read people's bios before you gender them

and if you don't, avoid gender completely

this is a queer space

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ziq wrote

the default for anyone you haven't seen gender themselves should be they

and if some of us don't list our gender in our bio it' might be because it's no one's business

there shouldn't be any pressure to choose or reveal a gender

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Amorphous wrote

It's ... just a symbol? I don't understand the question. When's the last time an encircled A had any relevance in your daily life?

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Pop wrote

it's not just an empty symbol though, there's a hammer and a sickle

it wasn't just a symbol to the people it was actually relevant for

now it's just an empty image reflecting how far away from our daily lives are from the time that was relevant

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Amorphous wrote

It's not empty, but it is just a symbol. It represents the farmer and the industrial worker, united against their oppressors. It may not perfectly line up with what our modern system looks like, yet the meaning still holds.

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train wrote

Personally I don't really care if chapos use it. Clearly the sub was pretty much entirely demsocs who aren't worried about optics and love to be edgy and ironic. That of course is bound to spur a whole spectrum of reactions from people that are viewing chapos use of symbols through various historical lenses.

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ziq wrote (edited )

after bernie lost, tankies infiltrated the mod team and started pushing the chapos to tankieism, branding everyone who wouldn't conform as a lib and banning them.

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train wrote

I can't speak to the mod team being inflitrated or people getting banned for not conforming. Feel free to link some evidence of that.

However, I can say that the most consitent joke on the sub was that everyone was a lib. That's almost certainly making fun of tankies for expecting everyone to conform to their ideological perspective. Imo the user base largely rejected MLs, particularly Stalin and Mao apologists. Although the latter were certainly present.

Lastly though, I'm confident the Lemmy instance won't be composed of the same broad group of leftists from reddit, most of whom are probably happy the sub is banned. So if you are worried about entryism and demsocs turning tankie, I doubt chapo.chat will suceed in that regard if that's what the mods truly intend.

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suma wrote

So what makes it official, does the podcast endorse it?

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ziq wrote

The code is etched with Mao's blood into leather salvaged from Stalin's actual boot.

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ziq wrote

Yes, every tankie that read this salivated all over their keyboard thinking of that blood and leather.

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bloodrose wrote

Angelfire called. They want their web designs back.

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masque wrote (edited )

much 90s

very "under construction" gif

such pageview counter

wow

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ziq wrote (edited )

Hey I had an angelfire site, I'm gonna choose to take that very personally.

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bloodrose wrote

I did too. That's how I recognize the site design, lol.

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ziq wrote

don't look now but we're showing our age

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Pop wrote

reminds me of the space jam website rn

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rot wrote

ahh good. chapos get out

/s but I'm watching y'all

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