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CaptainACAB wrote (edited )

I sympathize, but in all honesty, where else would they go? Into the arms of tankies? It would be wrong to turn them away when we already had a sub for them (they seem to post primarily there, and anything outside of it seems relevant to the sub that they're posting to). We've already had socialists here before and I doubt that those of us that are already into the green/nihilist/illegalist/post-left side are going to go back to socialism. If you want raddle to be about those topics, the solution is to hide the chapo thread and post more about those topics; if we can get more than a handful of these newcomers to actually engage with that material (not even to convert to it or reject it), I'd say that the influx of socialist content and initial awkwardness was worth it. They seem to like it here and the fact that posts can get more than 20 upvotes means that raddle is getting more use; which is nice to see.

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ziq wrote

post more about those topics

This is the step everyone seems to skip. When there's activity on the site and new voices, everyone shows up to complain that things are changing, but typically raddlers only show up for the friday threads, only a handful of the regulars here have any proclivity to start convos.

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CaptainACAB wrote

It was the general vibe of inactivity that kept me from registering here until about a year ago. Bunch of new posts from you, Tequila Wolf, or someone else; but no comments. Even now I refrain from commenting that often because I feel like I wouldn't have anything all that interesting or relevant to say.

Maybe I should just ignore that thought and comment more; my comment to actual submission ratio be damned.

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An_Old_Big_Tree wrote

I encourage you to post more. Taking a couple minutes to think about something that was interesting for you and write it ads a lot to the place.

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Bezotcovschina wrote

Even now I refrain from commenting that often because I feel like I wouldn't have anything all that interesting or relevant to say.

My fears exactly. I'm afraid of making basic takes and not contributing to a discussion fairly. Should, probably, start doing it anyway.

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Knal3 wrote

I sympathize, but in all honesty, where else would they go?

Right? This seems like the next logical place for us after being chased away from Reddit.

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CaptainACAB wrote

And a lot of us are glad to have you guys here. It's natural that a small community of fringe-upon-fringe politics would be apprehensive at the prospect of a very large number of newcomers. We aren't tankies, so keeping you guys out when you aren't even fascists or tankies would be contradictory to both anarchism and socialism. Enjoy the website.

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NeoAnabaptist wrote

We can learn from each other too. I really don't want to jump into this space and dominate it; I want to hear the perspective of the people who are here and add mine.

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xy0 wrote

everything sounds so stratified these days. Why can't communities exist where people have different opinions about things, sheesh. Back in 2005, there was one big place where everyone had to intermingle and get along. And we did. Not without drama though, but that's just life.

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RanDomino wrote

The issue is tankies coming here and shitting on everything.

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ziq wrote (edited )

make 10 accounts and downvote them until they leave

Tankies won't stay in a space they can't control tho, they'll all be on lemmy by next week praising Assad and Putin as is their custom

Let's filter out as many good ppl as we can for raddle until then

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thelegendarybirdmonster wrote

make 10 accounts and downvote them until they leave

In good old raddle tradition.

And don't forget to ping them in the mediation forum lol

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PigPoopBalls wrote

Don't forget their love for North Korea

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ziq wrote

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classicAgency wrote

Not a DPRK supporter, but that article is really, really bad. Its not historically accurate in the slightest, Juche has its origins in Marxism-Leninism and has nothing to do with Japanese fascism. North Korea is the way it is because a lot of its political and economic systems were inspired by Stalin's USSR, which also included lots of leader worship and idealism.

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ziq wrote

Laat time I checked, ML doesn't have a royal lineage.

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classicAgency wrote

The DPRK is not a monarchy. There are no royal titles or positions, nor is there a formal system of hereditary leadership. Every leader has been choosen by the workers party of korea, they just happen to choose leaders from a particular family thats all. The term you are looking for is 'herditary dictatorship'

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ziq wrote

Lmao

Keep drinking that koolaid fam

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PigPoopBalls wrote

Thanks for the link. Obviously I knew imperial Japan had colonized the Korean peninsula, but I never realized the through line to the modern fascistic government.

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RanDomino wrote

We all know they're going to be better at that.

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ziq wrote

You've only been here for a day so idk y u even care tbh.

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RanDomino wrote

I've been lurking since Raddle was launched but couldn't be arsed to make an account.

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CaptainACAB wrote

Yeah, I get it. I've engaged with tankies on this website before; hell, mocking them was the reason for one of my few submissions. Even made a tankie parody alt that I rarely even use anymore. Tankies are dealt with relatively quickly here; they're either banned for red fash shit or their paper-thin veneer of sensibility cracks and they ragequit, typically spewing something along the lines of: "ANARKIDDIES DONT EVEN READ THEORY YOU PROBABLY DONT EVEN HAVE A UNION YOU HISTORICAL REVISIONIST LIBERAL".

I feel sorry for anyone who mods this place whenever our political opponents get bored.

But for every one tankie that was the chapo subreddit, there were a bunch of other leftists; otherwise it would've been another circlejerk for communist academics. Tankies came to raddle before, they'd come again if the subreddit was still up; it's hardly fair to keep a large, mixed assortment of leftists out of a potential community space because of a few Stalin fanatics.

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RanDomino wrote

otherwise it would've been another circlejerk for communist academics.

It was though, after the mods got replaced with tankies.

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CaptainACAB wrote (edited )

Fine. But the odds of that happening here are exponentially lower. And most of the people who have migrated here seem decent enough. Tankies are easy to deal with and the odds of one of them becoming an admin are still minuscule, and if they become mods, they can be demodded; if you can't trust the admins to be diligent enough to spot them, and you can't trust any of the older users to suss them out, what are you even doing here?

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RanDomino wrote

It's not about "odds"... it's about whether or not they're doing it.

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mofongo wrote

Mods have no hierarchy, they can't take over a sub by demodding everyone else.

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CaptainACAB wrote

Okay. Tankies aren't replacing mods. Tankies aren't becoming admins either, If you don't want odds, I won't give them to you. Going to be hard to continue this exchange, though, because I can't give absolutes on future events.

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RanDomino wrote

They won't if they're banned on sight. I haven't seen anything else effective.

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mofongo wrote

They're not banned on sight, we break them first.

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CaptainACAB wrote

But then we don't get the chance to make fun of them.

I haven't even seen an ML here, yet.

Tankies that fall into red fash territory get banned for breaking TOS; the ones that don't quit when they get bored. Getting them to crack and reveal their reactionary positions is a fun game; they always either say something to get banned or they get mad and leave.

They're a nuisance at worst and a joke at best.

It's been established that if they were to become a mod, they can be demodded and anything that they've done can be undone.

You know you can block users, right? Just hover over their username and the botton should pop up.

Don't deprive me or anyone else the joys of enraging tankies just because you don't want to engage with them.

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RanDomino wrote

They're fascists. You don't engage with fascists.

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CaptainACAB wrote

Yes. If we're using the more affable definition of engage; but I'm using engage in the more combative sense. I'm not saying that you or anyone else has to or should go into an honest debate with them.

Banning them on sight just makes them feel like they've won.

Humiliating them usually deters them from coming back and we don't come off as hypocritical, which newer users may care about regardless of how ineffectual a tactic pointing out hypocrisy is.

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