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BlackFlagged wrote

If that wasn't enough to convince you that vanguard's don't work, idk what is.

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sudo wrote

Because the mods weren't elected, and weren't subject to recall. We want to set up a system where government officials are elected, and are subject to recall at any time. The userbase was very clearly against the mods - if they had the option to recall them, this wouldn't have been much of a problem.

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Defasher wrote (edited )

So a lot like the current system, then. Good luck trying to impeach Trump.

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sudo wrote

Uh, no, not like the current system at all. The people don't have the option to recall Trump; only congress does. I mean the people themselves should be able to vote on it. You're effectively saying, "What system do you like?" "Communism." "OMG, they said capitalism!"

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BlackFlagged wrote

Direct democracy is an anarchist principle, I don't really get why you're associating it with state communism, which never gives the people direct power.

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sudo wrote

Pretty sure direct democracy goes back to ancient Greece, long before anarchist theory existed. Also, state communism is a contradiction - communism is only when the state has withered away. If you want to see what communists really want, read State and Revolution, chapters 1 and 5. What you think we want and what we really want are totally different.

I'm anticipating you're going to say something like, "Just look at the USSR." If you are going to say that, then I say, we don't want to do things exactly the same way they were done in the USSR. We want to do them the way Lenin describes in State and Revolution.