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karen_m wrote

This weaver stance shit is going to get someone killed - no one uses it anymore - use isosceles https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRvO_1B5dfc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isosceles_Stance

But don't take it from me - learn from the fastest guns out there.

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polpotisevil2 OP wrote (edited )

Are you being serious? Lots of people use the weaver stance, unless you only hang around cops. What stance you use is mostly personal preference and the weaver stance will definitely not "get someone killed"

Feel free to add to the wiki, was definitely planning on adding a section on other shooting stances eventually, but did not intend to lie and say "the weaver stance will get someone killed" by linking to someone who is supposed to be trusted for landing a 200 yard shot upside down with a snub nose revolver (remind me when I will be shooting upside down at someone ever in my life? especially with a snub nose revolver at 200 yards?)

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karen_m wrote

I will admit that "get someone killed" was a knee jerk reaction to what I feel is poor shooting advice. I will also point out that if you use the "200 yard shot upside down with a snub nose revolver" trick shot without context of what he says before making that shot, then you are dismissing the expertise of this marksman's advice based on the fact that he's presenting some trick shot videos as well as instructional videos. He says in literally dozens of videos that "anybody can make any shot in any stance given enough time".

Jerry Miculek has been winning competitions for more than 30 years, and has had to adapt his techniques to keep winning and has discovered that the most effective stance for winning right now is the isosceles stance.

My point is that isosceles stance (especially the power isosceles) allows one to draw faster, acquire the target faster, get the first shot faster, and absorb more recoil naturally which allows faster target re-acquisition to follow up with more shots faster. This stance is particularly useful for smaller stature people who may have more difficulty managing recoil as it isn't as much dependent on active muscular tension.

In competition shooting this means winning because of the time spent on target instead of managing moving one's body and managing recoil. Outside of competition I hope that might translate to me being able to defend my life or that of someone in my community's life vs not. I'll only get one chance in a competition... and in a self defense situation I'll potentially only get one chance to defend myself. Therefore, I should prepare with the best practices available to me at the time and adapt if they change.

So yeah, I'm being serious about my preference to shoot with isosceles stance.

Also, I take offense that you would assume my preference of the isosceles stance, that the winners in competitions since the 1980's have adopted, is equated with spending my time hanging around bootlicking tools and cops. I care about my community, including you, and want them to train with the best known tools available.

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polpotisevil2 OP wrote

My point is that isosceles stance (especially the power isosceles) allows one to draw faster, acquire the target faster, get the first shot faster, and absorb more recoil naturally which allows faster target re-acquisition to follow up with more shots faster.

Extrapolate on this please, I do not understand how it allows me to draw faster, or do anything you described faster than any other stance. I draw about the same speed with both stances, unless you are talking about assuming the stance, which is much slower for me in the isosceles stance so I could argue the weaver allows people to draw faster (but I'm not going to, because it only allows me to draw faster, apparently).

What you should have said is this:

My point is that isosceles stance (especially the power isosceles) allows one ME to draw faster, acquire the target faster, get the first shot faster, and absorb more recoil naturally which allows faster target re-acquisition to follow up with more shots faster.

This stance is particularly useful for smaller stature people who may have more difficulty managing recoil as it isn't as much dependent on active muscular tension.

I agree, and if the stance works for you and your situation, wonderful! But other stances work for other people, believe it or not. And they will not "get people killed"

Also, I take offense that you would assume my preference of the isosceles stance, that the winners in competitions since the 1980's have adopted, is equated with spending my time hanging around bootlicking tools and cops. I care about my community, including you, and want them to train with the best known tools available.

Great, then perhaps you understand why I took offense to you telling me that the stance I use to shoot handguns in will get me or other people killed, when it obviously will not. There is no universal best, absolutely perfect stance that everyone should use because a competition shooter uses it

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