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sudo wrote

If the userbase here is mostly white, then it makes sense that the actual conversations don't happen in threads about issues that only affect PoC. That's not to say that the white people here don't care about those things, but that they don't have anything to add to whatever the article says, besides "I agree." I think if we had more PoC here, that would probably lead to more actual conversations on those posts.

White guys typically have a certain set of concerns that maintain the marginalization of people who aren’t white guys and alienate those people from participating.

Agreed, but I don't think typical white guys would want to participate on this forum. I don't think any of the white guys here want to maintain the marginalization of PoC, and I don't think that transhumanism vs. anti-civ or any of the arguments you mentioned are inherently white arguments. Yes, they are at the foreground right now, but if you want more talk about PoC, the way to achieve that isn't to tell people who want to have discussions to shut it, it's to get more PoC on the site to balance it out. We could try plugging raddle on websites that are about PoC.

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Tequila_Wolf wrote

If the userbase here is mostly white, then it makes sense that the actual conversations don't happen in threads about issues that only affect PoC.

It doesn't make sense that we are not focused on solidarity and engagement.

I don't think typical white guys would want to participate on this forum.

In case it wasn't clear, I'm saying the opposite. I'm trying to suggest that unless core users of this space are fundamentally intent on having good politics (and in particular here this means a politics of solidarity, seeking out and destroying their own racism/sexism/queerphobia/ableism in deep, clear ways), then the space will be alienating for others.

Plugging raddle on other websites might help, but again, I'm trying to suggest that when they get here people need to feel like it can be their space if they are going to stay.

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sudo wrote

It doesn't make sense that we are not focused on solidarity and engagement.

Sure it does, because we all agree with those things. You're not going to have a huge discussion in the comments for something that everyone agrees on. If a cop shoots another black person, there's not much to say besides "How horrible," and "ACAB." But if someone gets into an argument about something they disagree on, then there will be lots of discussion, because multiple people will be trying to prove themselves right about something. We all stand in solidarity with the oppressed people of the world - if you tried to convince us of why we should do so, you'd be preaching to the choir.

I'm trying to suggest that unless core users of this space are fundamentally intent on having good politics (and in particular here this means a politics of solidarity, seeking out and destroying their own racism/sexism/queerphobia/ableism in deep, clear ways), then the space will be alienating for others.

But I already am intent on having good politics. You don't see my trying to rid myself of bigotry, because: 1. I already did that (to the best of my ability) years ago when I learned about feminism, so now it's just a constant state of being on guard, and 2. that's not something people generally broadcast to others when they're doing it. If I made a post here for every time I caught myself thinking something sexist, it'd just be airing my dirty laundry. I don't do that for the same reason I don't take pictures of my lunch and post them on social media - I don't expect other people to care enough about purely personal matters like that.

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Tequila_Wolf wrote

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because we all agree with those things

No we don't, or we would act differently, and different debates would be in the foreground.

If a cop shoots another black person, there's not much to say besides "How horrible," and "ACAB."

There definitely is much more to say.

You don't see my trying to rid myself of bigotry, because: 1. I already did that

To my best understanding, nobody finishes doing this, this is a completely naive position, and I think your response here clearly belies the fact that you need to do more

that's not something people generally broadcast to others when they're doing it

You don't need to broadcast the process, necessarily. I'm saying we need to express the level of consciousness of these questions in ways that make others feel at home, and part of that means our taking on a serious engagement with them ourselves.

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sudo wrote

No we don't, or we would act differently, and different debates would be in the foreground.

Really? Can you show me where somebody says they don't think PoC are oppressed? Because I've never seen anyone say that on this website, save for the nazi trolls from a few weeks ago.

There definitely is much more to say.

Such as?

To my best understanding, nobody finishes doing this, this is a completely naive position, and I think your response here clearly belies the fact that you need to do more

You cut off the rest of my sentence, where I said I am constantly on guard for bigoted thoughts. I never said I was done, I said the bulk of clearing out the muck was accomplished long ago. Now it's a constant state of upkeep.

You don't need to broadcast the process, necessarily. I'm saying we need to express the level of consciousness of these questions in ways that make others feel at home, and part of that means our taking on a serious engagement with them ourselves.

Could you give an example? That's too vague for me to understand your meaning.