Richard Stallman is a creeper, please stop idolizing him

Submitted by revolt in freeAsInFreedom

All these are public quotes by Stallman:

The [federal court] nominee is quoted as saying that if the choice of a sexual partner were protected by the Constitution, "prostitution, adultery, necrophilia, bestiality, possession of child pornography, and even incest and pedophilia" also would be. He is probably mistaken, legally — but that is unfortunate. All of these acts should be legal as long as no one is coerced. They are illegal only because of prejudice and narrowmindedness.

I am skeptical of the claim that voluntarily pedophilia harms children. The arguments that it causes harm seem to be based on cases which aren't voluntary, which are then stretched by parents who are horrified by the idea that their little baby is maturing.

There is little evidence to justify the widespread assumption that willing participation in pedophilia hurts children.

I've read that male dolphins try to have sex with humans, and female apes solicit sex from humans. What is wrong with giving them what they want, if that's what turns you on, or even just to gratify them?

A parrot once had sex with me. I did not recognize the act as sex until it was explained to me afterward, but being stroked on the hand by his soft belly feathers was so pleasurable that I yearn for another chance. I have a photo of that act; should I go to prison for it?

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arduinna wrote

Hey, downvoters, mind explaining your defenses of bestiality and pedophilia?

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ziq wrote

I don't think it's off topic to talk about the godfather of free software.

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ziq wrote (edited )

it's important for free software enthusiasts to distance themselves from this guy and the frustrating tunnel vision that allows him to support all kinds of oppressive shit outside of software, but promote egalitarianism within software. He's simply not a good representative for free software because of his many, many flaws. He promotes liberalism, less evilism and holds up the state as a liberator. Centering the free software movement around such a problematic figure is a mistake that needs to be course-corrected before he drags the whole movement down with him.

Furthermore, none of those quotes are out of context. It's blatantly clear what he means because he's made the same statements repeatedly.

See sidebar: Free and Open-Source Software

Which would obviously include the figurehead of the whole foss movement and his effect on it and the wider world.

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AgitatedStatesOfAmazement wrote

More here, including but not limited to comparing people with Down syndrome to pets.

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F3nd1 wrote

He wrote that people shouldn't be treating them as if they were pets. That's the only sense in which he compared them to pets in the quote.

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AgitatedStatesOfAmazement wrote

Bull fucking shit, he said having a child with Down syndrome is akin to having a pet and that for this reason you shouldn't allow someone with Down syndrome to live in the first place. If he said "people with Down syndrome aren't pets, they're humans and as such deserve to be treated with dignity", that would be "writing that people shouldn't be treating them as if they were pets", and then nobody would be upset about it.

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F3nd1 wrote

he said having a child with Down syndrome is akin to having a pet

He wrote: ‘If you'd like to love and care for a pet that doesn't have normal human mental capacity, don't create a handicapped human being to be your pet.’ That's saying that if you want a pet, you shouldn't give birth to a child for the purpose of acquiring one. (Because to such a parent, it would be akin to having a pet.)

If he said "people with Down syndrome aren't pets, they're humans and as such deserve to be treated with dignity", that would be "writing that people shouldn't be treating them as if they were pets", and then nobody would be upset about it.

Something like ‘they are human beings and I think they deserve the best possible care’? Because that's literally what he wrote later on.

His position on the matter is pretty clear: If you know the child you'll be having most likely has Down's syndrome, he's in support of abortion, because he doesn't think people should be brought into life with such a handicap. But he's all for support of those who have been brought into it already.

I don't see what the problem with that stance is, unless you think abortion in itself is a bad thing. And he explicitly states he's not advocating for any rules about the matter, so it's all more about the parents' approach to the matter.

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DrumsIntro4secSound wrote (edited )

Concerning the CP thing it's not just him, Aaron Swartz also argued that the laws criminalizing possession of CP are unconstitutional: https://archive.fo/d4NPt

(I don't agree FWIW just reporting what Aaron Swartz' position is)

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ziq wrote

imo it only causes them to develop their fetish further and crave the real thing more. It also causes others to develop the fetish that didn't have it before.

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ziq wrote (edited )

studies don't show that to be the case

That's ridiculous propaganda that originated on reddit.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/paedophilia-sexual-orientation-straight-gay-criminal-psychologist-child-sex-abuse-a6965956.html

It's not hard to make a study show whatever result you want it to show.

These people are so full of shit. There's been a concerted effort by pedos to create sympathy for themselves by associating aversion to their fetish with homophobia. There's so much propaganda on reddit trying to persuade people to be accepting of pedophiles and to normalize child rape.

Pedophiles aren't victims.

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Communism_not_Barbarism wrote

There is no reason to reject a person's entire body of work just because you don't agree with a few irrelevant comments they've made that have nothing to do with the work they do. This kind of thinking is reactionary and cultish.

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Pop wrote

The proposal was to 'stop idolizing' him, not to 'reject a person's entire body of work'

more bad faith from this one

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RustyFoster wrote

All the Linux Kernel Hackers are creepers too!

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surreal wrote

why, cause of all the hair and beards, is it the glasses, or cause of all the jargon. what makes you upset?

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