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Cartoon_Cat wrote

Only when they try and put me down for my desire to learn about alternatives.

People have a tendency to retroactively justify their failure to question their behaviour, and this applies in all areas of life. If you mention that you dropped Windows, some people will respond by explaining how good Windows is (without the appropriate knowledge) instead of being curious. They imply that their blind conformism was a rational decision. Those people I look down on.

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ziq wrote

When they tell me to 'buy a real OS' when I ask for a linux port of something.

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_ziq_ wrote

It's strange to me when Windows users bother with tor and ffoss apps. Your whole system is compromised, what's the point?

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sand wrote

lol

nah, people with solid levels of awareness re: surveillance and its consequences can still be swamped enough to not get the time to think about/come across the idea of libre tech

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DumbNameIWillRegret wrote

Nah, because I understand that sometimes there's some OS exclusive software or games that keep them on that OS. Hell, if it weren't for a few games, I'd be using Linux by now.

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TheLegendaryBirdMonster wrote

I get gut reaction to people having the newest iphone/iwatch/ifuckyou; my brain kinda categorizes them as filthy rich. A few seconds later I kinda rationalize to myself that having the latest tech that's worth ~2 months of my scolarship is not the definition of rich and it's nothing compared to owning a 10-year-of-work-worth-house. I do not consciously consider owning an i-thing as defining a social category, but it looks like apple marketing still kinda worked on me.

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md_ wrote

I'm terrified by Windows users' general attitude against keeping their software up-to-date. That's the only thing I'm judgemental about. Update your software people, you are putting everyone on the same network as you at risk.

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libre_hackerman wrote

keep in mind that Windows updates (and the rest of programs' updates) are a pain in the ass. It's natural they don't want to update

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md_ wrote

I understand that, but that doesn't make it less terrifying.

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dele_ted wrote

Have you considered replacing OSX with Linux?

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dele_ted wrote

Alright. I'm actually flashing Elementary to a USB as I'm writing this. I had enough of the bugs in KDE Neon and want to to try something new. Hopefully it'll live up to its rumor.

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dele_ted wrote

That's been my experience with Deepin too. I'm writing this off of a live USB with elementary, and I've still got an absurd amount of unfixable driver issues. I'm seriously considering just going fucking Windows now, there is absolutely no support for my hardware outside of Windows. Thank you, Lenovo, bunch of fuckers. Microphone does not work and will not work, been struggling with it for 5 hours now. Useless fingerprint reader doesnt even appear in lsusb. Bluetooth wont connect to any devices that doesnt use a pin or use a newer SSP mode. The camera is laggy and the fans are going crazy. The touchpad acts really weird too. I love Linux so much, and i hate Windows so bad, and yet I'm forced to install that piece of crap to even use this brand new laptop. Neat.

/rant, sorry. Completely off topic.

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selver wrote

No, it's not like I do everything security-wise that I know I should.

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GrimWillow wrote

Like others have said, I only have contempt if they look down on me for having Linux, or staunchly defend their bad decision making. Otherwise, I just see them as having a virus on their computer and they're being played by corporations pretty hard for their sweet nectar...err...I mean data.

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Slick wrote

Never. I respect their choices of platform. I myself maintain couple of Windows machines for work so I cannot judge other for their decision to stay.

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xxi wrote (edited )

Short answer: No. That'd be like hating workers because they slave under a capitalist system, or the non-white people who had to live under apartheid.

You can hate the system, or operating system, without hating the people who have to exist within it. You can always resist but demanding that of your grandma, or someone like that, would be too much unless there exist practical alternatives.

Longer answer: However, people who have some reasonable way to resist and possess the knowledge for doing so but refrain for doing so I cautiously question. To actually find who that might be is impossible if it concerns populations. I won't assume that kind of privilege unless it's obvious. But embarking on endeavors to find capable people is sort of missing the point isn't it?

It's a system. Something larger than the individuals. Also proprietary OS:s do rely heavily on oppression that comes as a consequence of societal systems. It's probably easier to change OS:s than turning your workplace into something that's owned communally. It's sort of a fitting analogy though. Provide a community-based alternative (online and face-to-face) instead of something that's based on crass on individualism and the help people might need will mostly be there.

If your grandma and others can ask the community for the help they might need most people wouldn't mind using different software, if it works for people to do "their stuff". I don't think they care deeply if it's called Windows, macOS, Debian or FreeBSD.

If these things were wide-spread and people promoted Windows/macOS from ideological choice, well... Those people are worthy of all the contempt in the world. They'd be agitating for bondage well aware of that alternatives exists.

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drh1138 wrote (edited )

No. OS elitism reminds me too much of pimple-faced white male nerd reactionaries.