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celebratedrecluse OP wrote

Ah, thank you for clarifying. And I agree, I eagerly await Signal and other platforms to contest the dominance of Zoom and other non end-to-end conferencing appliance

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blubl00d wrote

We already have options like Wire, Tox, and Jitsi Meet. Just not many people are utilizing them unfortunately. :(

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celebratedrecluse OP wrote

Do they have encrypted end to end? I know Jitsi Meet is not, Tox was unstable last I heard (i have not checked up in a few years) and Wire has other security & privacy issues going back a long time. They've allegedly improved but their track record is pretty bad from back when they launched. There's also been a suspicious amount of retroactive search engine cleanup and other things which signal an expensive PR campaign to me...I don't trust the people behind that app, for better or worse

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blubl00d wrote (edited )

Jitsi Meet currently has experimental E2E encryption. From what I understand, Tox is stable, it just hasn’t been audited yet. As far as Wire goes, I’m not sure which privacy and security issues you’re referring to. The only issue I’m aware of is that Wire stores your contacts in plaintext which isn’t ideal but shouldn’t be a dealbreaker. Correct me if I’m wrong but I do not believe there are any audited alternatives to Wire other than Signal maybe which is more for personal use. Everything else is experimental.

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celebratedrecluse OP wrote

Wire has suspicious funders going back to its founding, and also had absolutely no protections for metadata, stored contacts in plaintext, and for a while did not even have E2E and made misleading advertisements on it.

Jitsi Meet is not E2E, it is simply encrypted from endpoint to server. Server is completely unencrypted by default.

Element is a great alternative to Wire.

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