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celebratedrecluse wrote

If you are unfortunate enough to live inside USA borders, just download the apk straight from signal.org. Use the app on a device with a VPN tunneled to outside your country. The most difficult part will be to tie the signal account to a non US phone number, during initial setup. One idea is to contact someone outside the US who will purchase a burner and setup forwarding for you, in exchange for crypto or some other way of remunerating. Then, create a very strong registration lock and keep it on a paper key. This will probably work, but has a non zero chance of having your account hijacked.

Maybe we can set up a forum on Raddle for sharing international phone numbers, in exchange for donations, for this purpose. It would be a useful way to spread money out of the empire, as well as providing physical phones that can be sim-swapped and donated to people who might not otherwise have access to one.

But regardless, hopefully this situation gets the Signal devs to enable account registration without a phone number...

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LeftHack wrote

Using Twilio for US number could also work. Then there is free SMS verification service that you could also use those numbers, but just remember to set registration PIN.

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celebratedrecluse wrote

For US #? But they would need a non US #, or do i misunderstand

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LeftHack wrote

Twilio will assign you a new US number after registration

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celebratedrecluse wrote

Ok, if Signal does not work with US numbers, what would the purpose of this be?

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LeftHack wrote

Point being that it meant to make easy for anyone outside of US to register a US number. Plus, Twilio has free subscription, meaning that anybody can use it.

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celebratedrecluse wrote

We need the opposite, US people will need non US #s to continue using Signal. Not vice versa.

Unless you are talking about something else entirely

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CI7IZ3NZ3R0 wrote

I think Session is a good alternative. Not based in the US, 100% open source with end-to-end encryption for all messages by default. An independent security audit of their cryptography is currently in the works. Keep your eye on this one.

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hardwarecult wrote

I would not trust Signal unless you deploy your own server; they use Google most of the time, like for download and or api/key rotation, are in US jurisdiction etc

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celebratedrecluse wrote

You actually cannot deploy your own server, youd have to fork the code and make a whole different service. It's pretty suspicious

Google can be disabled entirely tho, by installing on a device without active play services. For example, android x86 with play services ripped out

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kore wrote

I have lineageOS on my phone without google, and its amazing how many apps dont even run without google play services

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a_perfect_map OP wrote

Your thoughts on Telegram?

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avbeav wrote

Certain secuirty experts don't recommend Telegram because of it's cryptographic protocols but I personally like that the desktop app is in Qt rather than Electron. Yes, that is a big deal.

Also, while Signal Desktop may have well-engineered E2E-encryption, I find the UX horribly broken.

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avbeav wrote

I've only used Matrix via Pidgin and that worked well enough.

I'm not using it now, not because I don't want to, but because the choice of communication protocol or platform isn't a choice I get to make. Currently, the go-to platform for messaging amongst activists around here just seems to be Signal, and I'm not gonna argue too much about it because at least it's free / open source and better than WhatsApp or Slack or Zoom or whatever latest proprietary shit app that's caught people's attention.

But because Signal is "forced" on me that way, and I don't get the choice of clients that I do with Matrix or email or IRC or XMPP because Signal has that ONE BLESSED CLIENT then at I feel somewhat entitled to complain a bit about the horrible state of their UX.

I am also trying to complain constructively by filing detailed bug reports. Not that it leads to anything being fixed, of course, but at least I try...

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anarchyinbedrock1990 wrote

This both frightens me and makes me angry. I wrote a post about this, in privacy on this forum. I also wrote to my congressperson/senator. I am concerned about the future of Tor, and also what will happen to networks, like ZeroNet, blockchain-based networks, etc and so forth.

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