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Gwen_Isilith wrote

Reply to comment by d4rk in my political compass for reference. by d4rk

I never said you are white. I said that everyone irregardless of their whiteness or any other identities is complicit.

Honest it seems you are not understanding me or purposefully talking past me and it is making it difficult to have a conversation.

I will phrase my question one final time. You refer to fascists as uncivilized, and give a slew of other insults to cast at the uncivilized. But there are uncivilized Marxists and anarchists. What analysis do you have of anti-civ politics (uncivilized politics or anti-politics) that gas led you to conclude they are Fascist?

As for your explanation of why you feel capitalism should have been destroyed I cannot say I understand. Do you think CHAZ had any potential to destroy capitalism and even if it had that it would have created any better of a world? It seems to me that leftist revolutionaries want to create create world that is just as detrimental to me as this current reality.

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d4rk OP wrote

On your question, again, Uncivilized has a different meaning if you come from East Asia that it is from the west. Whereas in the west many proudly self-identity as "anti-civ". Civilization itself has a different meaning altogether in the East.

Whereas you see it as the aggregate of institutions and technologies, I assume, that make up the state and all forms of oppression. We see it as an aggregate of processes organically created from the bottom up for the benefit of everyone within society.

They are civilized because of, I'm going to use use obedience because yet again Teutonic Anglo-Saxon culture doesn't have another and better word for it, what you call rituals. Regardless of the presence of these innovations even primitivists can be civilized. Going to meetings is civilized, gardening is civilized, hunting parties are civilized, because thoigh they are daily activities, in aggregate they contribute to the wellbeing of the whole and therefore the stability of a society.

anti-civs as you define it will be far from being uncivilized in our standards since despite a gap in institutions, we could probably still understand you, have the same methods of courtesy and would probably be welcome to interactions that foster beneficence and social progress among both sides.

Secondly, I thought all movements had the potential to overthrow the system, even ours. But I'm pretty tired having this fight this fight that mentality and all solutions on the negative end end in Cult leaders. CHAZ was a breaking point, a time when I resolved never to enter revolutionary or activist politics ever again. I simply wanted to live my life the way it was promised by my forebearers, a society without state, capital, oppression, domination, inequity, starvation. No more movements, I want to exist.

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Twoeyes wrote

Uncivilized has a different meaning if you come from East Asia that it is from the west.

I would be interested in seeing the word you would use for some of these concepts in a language which better describes what you're after.
At a guess I am thinking your usage of civilized is similar to the Japanese concept of wa, or Chinese harmonious society.

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