The U.S. could experience “off-the-charts” heat in under 20 years, thanks to climate change[deleted] wrote
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daniel wrote
A random GIF from a climate change org site is not a substitute for terrabytes of actual numerical data. CO2 is not the causative agent. You will see other gases concentrations increase with increased temperature as well, moreover you see wide swings in temperature over long periods of time where CO2 levels remain relatively high. When temperatures spike, more disolved gases are freed up, those gases take longer to get resequestered back into storage. They are still just trace gases, concentrations so low and diffuse that they are measured in ppm.
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daniel wrote
Note, the data for nitrous oxide and methane also share the same trend. How shocking. I bet if you find one for argon you'll see the same thing. Surely you don't want to propose argon is the primary driver of the glaciation, despite its concentration being greater than CO2? If you are looking for data, that sites got plenty. Pick your poison. A good place to start is the 4000 years of temperature data, and cross referencing that with last 4000 of disolved gases from whereever you want. https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo-search/reports/location?dataTypeId=7&search=true
Moltres wrote
Could it be that methane and nitrous oxide are greenhouse gases as well? And that when one increases it creates a feedback loop that also raises the others (and temperature)? Could this be the reason why they correlate with each other across the record?
Why does it hurt so much to think?
daniel wrote
The Sun is the primary driver of the climate, trace gases are not. The education system has failed in raising a generation of critical thinkers. The Earth does not revolve around the Sun, it revolves around the gravitational center of the solar system which is influenced by the orbit of the planets. Those planets also have most of the angular momentum of the solar system, their periodic (cyclical) actions influence fluctuations in the activity of the Sun and thus the climate on Earth. The Sun also has internal cyclical mechanisms the manifest in fluctuations in solar activity, which also influence climate on Earth. Space weather and solar angular momentum are much more reliable predictors of climate than are trace gases, which are only useful after the fact.
daniel wrote
because the data doesn't coincide with that hypothesis. the dissolved trace gases follow the temperature, not the other way around.
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daniel wrote
right, but Argon is also increasing, as are other trace gases. both the increases and decreases in temp (reglaciation) proceed their corresponding increase/decrease in gases, not the other way around.
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